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Photons, Quasars and the Possibility of Free Will

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Re: Photons, Quasars and the Possibility of Free Will

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Seems that you are speaking of Id rather than ego. That or your neurology is alien to me. Not everybody is ruled by circumstance. With hard work and dedication you can begin to eliminate the factors which force your hand. For some individuals the task probably is insurmountable. For those of us lucky or unlucky enough to be able to reach a state of free will, accountability is a dubious reward.

I’m confused why you would think id. Everyone is ruled by circumstance “every moment” and even when the person enjoys every bit of it. A puppet that loves who controls his strings is still without free will. I’m a transgender woman for example and had an unfavorable life, almost everyday by how persons treat me by aesthetics and from my understanding of your writing “I would only be considered having free will” if ac…

Well, the rhetoric about Id, Ego and Super-ego is Freudian, so it probably doesn't hold up under scrutiny.

Strictly, what I mean is that some things which seem impossible are in fact possible if only barely. E.g. With advances in genetic engineering, the term 'transgender' might have a very different meaning in 100 years, but those advances appear to come at great cost. Perhaps then one will not need to be as brave as you to undergo vast psychosexual changes to the self.

I see accountability as something I have to myself. - I am very reluctant to lie to myself since I realized there are things which I only have myself to blame for. Furthermore I don't believe there is a purpose to life since that would contradict free will. Instead of purpose, I have the freedom to make whatever I want of my life.

Re: Photons, Quasars and the Possibility of Free Will

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I’m confused why you would think id. Everyone is ruled by circumstance “every moment” and even when the person enjoys every bit of it. A puppet that loves who controls his strings is still without free will. I’m a transgender woman for example and had an unfavorable life, almost everyday by how persons treat me by aesthetics and from my understanding of your writing “I would only be considered having free will” if ac…

Well, the rhetoric about Id, Ego and Super-ego is Freudian, so it probably doesn't hold up under scrutiny. Strictly, what I mean is that some things which seem impossible are in fact possible if only barely. E.g. With advances in genetic engineering, the term 'transgender' might have a very different meaning in 100 years, but those advances appear to come at great cost. Perhaps then one will not need to be as brave a…

I haven't lost "accountability" for myself, in a sense "it" has morphed into awareness of certainty of how every little thing alters the assigned story of everyone. It has made me a lot more forgiving to others & myself, with less anxiety and better mental health. I believe it has brought me clearer analysis of my thinking patterns.

Basically, I think I'm closer to my perfect self because I understand better to why my actions are taken and how I'm controlled by what is around me on the highest level obtainable. Similar to how a god would perceive anything if one existed and is truly omniscient.

I'm leaning towards the idea, "people are better humans when understanding free will doesn't exist" and how there is "no control" over anything. I think a lot of people who haven't lived with my mindset for an extended period of time, dismiss the health benefits by assuming it's bad because you will feel like you need to be at fault or in control for joy to exist or meaning. I don't believe for a second that is the case.

I'm still able to have happy moments. I would say I'm more grateful and acknowledging of them when they happen. I likely would be dead by suicide if I didn't think the way I do now but I still contemplate suicide with likelihood because gender dysphoria sucks when born in the time period I was without getting help. So I don't think understanding there is no free brings suicide and really whatever happens was fate when understanding determinism. I do 100% believe life is not meaningless from me understanding determinism and truly everyone fills a purpose in progressing society or even retracting progress. Freedom isn't necessary and will never exist.

Re: Photons, Quasars and the Possibility of Free Will

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An idea that's been tickling me lately is that 'randomness', as perceived by people inside a system, is actually an avenue by which free will from some hypothetical meta-system might assert itself. The actions causally derived from randomness in our universe seem random because we inside the system have no Informational view in to the meta-system in which they have some kind of causal logic, but the decision makes se…

This is why the standard interpretation of QM to me implies that there is a higher-order universe, which seems a high price to pay (in Occam units) for an experimentally successful theory, even if it is so incredibly successful as QM.

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Re: Photons, Quasars and the Possibility of Free Will

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> From the very Wikipedia article you are attempting to use to say I'm using it incorrectly: I asked you specifically about how the null hypothesis applies to free will. Angular momentum has no bearing on this question. > Whether or not we have free will is 100% about how the universe works. And this is why you're confused. Because it's not. Some definitions of free will depend on physical or metaphysical assumptions…

Because the free will either exists or does not, and that existence requires it be compatible with the rules that govern how our universe exists. If it's not compatible with how the universe works, it doesn't exist. There is no such proof, and as such, the null hypothesis or null assumption is that free will doesn't exist, in the same way we assume the angular momentum of the universe is zero. I'm not arguing about w…

> Because the free will either exists or does not, and that existence requires it be compatible with the rules that govern how our universe exists. If it's not compatible with how the universe works, it doesn't exist.

I very much agree but have to conceed that your view on the label 'universe' might be too narrow. I too vigourisly oppose to the notion that the philosophical question of free will is not about how the universe works. Because will is all about how I will work the universe.

I suppose meeting somewhere halfway would be compromise, and naasking was just teasing with a reductio ad absurdum thought experiment.

Re: Photons, Quasars and the Possibility of Free Will

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If you look at the polysemy of 'to determine', you will likely determine that the primary meaning is actually to 'recognize, find out'. In that sense, saying that somebody had no choice means they don't anymore have a choice. But looking towards the future, you never have a closed function; the outcome is open. The ambiguity of 'to determine' is still relevant, because by determining a fact, you (try to) determine an outcome. This polysemy exists the same in other languages, e.g. German "bestimmen".

If you are lucky, your future will remain undetermined. After all, there's only one certain closed function for the future, which is its ... End.

PS: there's a contraction when people want to make free willed choices and remain undetermined at the same time. And it gets turned on its head when people are determined not to make any decisions, because ultimately, they will be deprived of all choices.

PPS: In law and politics especially, determining a 'fact' often has the ridiculous outcome that ridiculous rules based on rough estimates determine a detrimental outcome, e.g. age-limits on movies or tax collection. Those are real underlying problems, not philosophy. And the very notion of free will comes into play with 'wanton'. That does not just play a role with e.g. premediated murder, but "Willkürverbot" against law and court is anchored in the German Grundgesetz, that every decision must be based on reason. "Willkür" roughly translates to ... wow, I guess, "good faith". Whereas 'voluntary' is "freiwillig" (free willing). "Wille" compares to "Wahl" (election, choice). The history of "Willkür" is complicated, but Pfeifer compares Sanskr. "juis-", for "Kür" and related words, which reminds too much of Lt. 'iius'.

> got. kiusan ‘prüfen’. Hierzu stellen sich außergerm. Entsprechungen wie aind. juṣátē, jṓṣati ‘hat gern, findet Gefallen, genießt’, awest. zaoš-, apers. dauš- ‘an etw. Gefallen finden’, griech. gé͞uesthai (γεύεσθαι) ‘kosten, schmecken, zu spüren bekommen’, lat. dēgūnere ‘kosten’, air. togu ‘wählen’ und, mit dentalem Element wie in ↗kosten (s. d.), lat. gustāre ‘kosten, genießen’, die auf eine gemeinsame Wurzel ie. g̑eus- ‘kosten, genießen, schmecken’ (im Germ. und Kelt. ‘wählen’ durch Übertragung des Wahrnehmens und Prüfens auf andere Sinnesbereiche) führen.

"iius" also reminds of 'juice', as far as enjoyment goes, which with relations to blood (cp. Agr. ear - blood, juice; and the four humors [juices] theory, "Viersäfteleehre"). 'Joy' itself looks related. Talk about bad blood and gusto. Gives August a different perspective, too.

Whereas "free" has to be compared to "Frieden" (piece), with a sense secure, bounded (cp. fence? Friesen ... Brit vs Fritz, through 'bh'?). Still Lt. "volens" has to be compared to Ger. "wollens" (and vollends?). Ultimately I take a shortcut and equate well with will to derive good (cp Ger. "Güte" - mercy, quality, "Gut" - merch, lot [of a farm]); And 'faith' from "Treu und Glauben" and "guter Glaube" which expresses the notion of Willkür for old Kurpfalzen best, by my own esteemed estimate. This derivation is a bit of a freestyle ("Kür" as in sports). "Kür" could relate to 'sure' if a prehistoric scur is assumed, which is, of course, obscure, as is 'obscure'.

So we see that the words free will are not literal because a lot of punning was involved.

None of that has anything to do with stars, but election is superficially cognate with illuminate (elector - sun; lux - light; lego - collect, read; ligo - bind) and to star has something to do with being appointed.

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