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Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by userbinator »

arunitc wrote: post #110

I just switched to Edge and it looks great. One of the reasons I had used Chrome and had recommended all my customers to use Chrome was the ability to print to PDF, which Firefox did not have (not sure if it does now). Edge does and will be recommending all my clients to try out Egde.

the ability to print to PDF

All browser have had the ability to do that, for many years now, if you install a PDF printer driver. Adobe was the first with a commercial one, but I'm sure there are free ones now.

Re: Chrome 69 will keep Google Cookies when you tell it to delete all cookies

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Post by simias »

insickness wrote: post #248
pnenp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Worked for me. Switched to FF because I just can't trust Chrome anymore. FF feels like a breath of fresh air.

How is the speed now of FF compared to Chrome? A few years ago I switched to Chrome because it was way faster. Has FF improved?

Seems like the consensus is that things have improved drastically since the "quantum" update, although there have been a handful of issues on specific hardware (which may or may not have been fixed in the meantime).

I'd suggest to just try it, it's completely free and pretty straightforward to install after all.

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Post by jagira »

butz wrote: post #76
jagira wrote: post #34

Chrome 69 on Mac puts Close/Minimise/Maximise buttons in an additional bar when in fullscreen mode. It's super irritating to see an additional bar when you move mouse to top of screen. I have downgraded to Chrome 68 and disabled auto updates. https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/chrome/D0dB6j...

Disabling updates is really bad idea. Maybe it is still possible to switch back to old functionality using chrome://flags ?

I tried looking for config options but couldn't find any. I am just a version behind. Will resume auto updates when they fix this annoying behaviour.

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Post by esrauch »

braythwayt wrote: post #224
snarfy wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

I don't feel like it is reasonable to draw a direct analogy between Nazis and implementing browser level account logins.

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Post by the_other »

vixen99 wrote: post #171
Sharlin wrote: post #109

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There are really very few things Chrome is better at than Firefox these days.

Isn't one of these debugging?

These days I prefer the Firefox network inspector to Chrome's. FF's debugger initialises rather slowly IMO, but is otherwise functionally similar.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

AsyncAwait wrote: post #148
askmike wrote: post #94

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Can't speak for ux-app but most people on HN are on macs, also a lot of people on linux.

I assume this is based on a lot of (web/mobile) devs being on HN and them using macOS predominantly based on conferences etc.? I'd agree with that assessment, macOS probably first, Linux second, but then you have to remember how many Windows users there are. The HN regulars are probably mostly on Mac/Linux, but I'd imagine just the drive by Windows traffic would put it at the top spot.

There are plenty of Windows users on HN actively. Not everybody in tech is an SV webdev.

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Post by braythwayt »

taneq wrote: post #256
braythwayt wrote: post #239

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One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

Sounds like you have a pretty good view from up there on your high horse.

Classic argumentum ad hominem, or in the vulgar, “Playing the man but not the ball.”

If my words are right, they could be written with gold engraving on vellum and scattered from my ivory tower, and they would still be right.

If my words are wrong, it doesn’t matter who I am or where I sit, explain how they are wrong.

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Post by 8fingerlouie »

News like this, and the "forced" sign-in just illustrates to me how desperate Google has become to "own all your data".

I lost all trust in public cloud after Snowden, but somehow remained convinced that yes, Google reads my email, but that's about it. I migrated everything but email to a selfhosted solution, and simplified things a lot. Recently i've also migrated mail away from Google.

These past years have sadly proven (to me) i was right. What makes me even more sad is that the common user has very few options to avoid it. To the best of my knowledge, Apple doesn't track you, neither on Mac OS or iOS, but there's a steep price, one that most consumers are not ready to pay. Linux may be ready for the desktop, but it's still a long way away from my parents installing it.

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Post by kryogen1c »

braythwayt wrote: post #224
snarfy wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

This is a toothless, short-sighted, and self-serving philosophy that does not solve any problem.

I will explain, but first let it be known that I am a scorned Google user. I jumped on board the magic carpet of every Google service as soon as I could and loved it the whole time, but it has become clear to me that Google and my values no longer align. So I'm leaving.

However, telling the workers to "just quit" won't solve anything. In fact, it guarantees that the company will have a higher percentage of people you morally disagree with leading to, by your moral standards and actions, a more evil product.

Additionally, quitting because you disagree with company politics is the least meaningful protest you could levy. Inaction from the sidelines is just as damning as internal complicency. If you want to split moral hairs and feel Superior because you quit, go for it but don't pretend like you're a hero or in any way part of the solution. To be specific, Google won't reverse it's whole company plan and Buck the entire industry trend due to a _temporary_ uptick an employee turnover of a few percentage points (if that).

Change can come from internal activism and external Market pressures. Quitting is neither of those and actively contrary to the former.

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Post by snaky »

braythwayt wrote: post #255
pliny wrote: post #250

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Agree in spirit, but in the case of Google/Alphabet there is somewhere for the buck to stop: AFAIK Larry + Sergei (+ maybe Eric?) control more than half of the equity in terms of voting power, so if they want too promote their principles at the expense of revenue growth they can do that regardless of the feelings of other shareholders. This is more speculative, but I think public markets don't really react adversely…

All participants are equally complicit, but some are more equally complicit than others :-) p.s. I know the market seems to like Apple’s perspective on privacy, but unless we can examine an altrnate universe where iPhones aren’t selling like hotcakes, it’s tough to know whether the market values the eithics involved, or just thinks it’s a fine strategy. If the latter, the market doesnkt really value their values, but…

We can examine an alternate universe where iPhones aren’t selling like hotcakes actually.

> With only seven million iPhones sold in China during the second quarter of 2018, Apple's market share in the country dropped by 12.5 percent year on year to 6.7 percent, according to a report by the International Data Corporation (IDC)

Apple have some very particular values in China though, storing iCloud data and encryption keys on state-owned servers. But the trend to decline started a long before that recent Apple decision.

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