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Post by thomasahle »

Daniel_sk wrote: post #176
thomasahle wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I import my Chrome passwords into FF?

I really recommend switching to a password manager - it's also easier to access the passwords from other devices. For example I can use the same passwords on Firefox desktop and on Safari - iPhone (including auto-fill on iOS 12). I have good experience with 1Password (subscription paid).

I was thinking to just have Firefox on my phone as well.

Is 1Password able to provide passwords and credit card information inside other apps?

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Post by Boulth »

tumetab1 wrote: post #192
sbspk5567 wrote: post #6

I posted about this last month here and also in Google Chrome forums but no one seemed to care. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17853092

That link leads to me an empty page, is the URL correct?

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Post by christophilus »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #4

Are they trying to promote Firefox or something? Chrome seems to be trying quite hard to annoy people enough to actually uninstall it.

Yup I switched to FF, despite its poorer performance (on Mac, anyway). My personal mail is Fastmail. My search engine is DDG. I do use Chrome for debugging web applications, as I just haven't been able to get myself accustomed to the FF dev tools... That's probably what I'll work on next.

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Post by [deleted] »

teddyh wrote: post #235
_jcwu wrote: post #221

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The firefox that keeps doing experiements and jokes on their users by installing random extensions without asking? Until some weeks ago I was less unhappy with Google Chrome than with firefox, but now I am kind of almost equal unhappy with both...

IIRC, Firefox did that once , and then apologized. Unlike Google, who keeps doing the same thing all the time.

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Post by braythwayt »

pliny wrote: post #250
braythwayt wrote: post #239

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One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

Agree in spirit, but in the case of Google/Alphabet there is somewhere for the buck to stop: AFAIK Larry + Sergei (+ maybe Eric?) control more than half of the equity in terms of voting power, so if they want too promote their principles at the expense of revenue growth they can do that regardless of the feelings of other shareholders. This is more speculative, but I think public markets don't really react adversely…

All participants are equally complicit, but some are more equally complicit than others :-)

p.s. I know the market seems to like Apple’s perspective on privacy, but unless we can examine an altrnate universe where iPhones aren’t selling like hotcakes, it’s tough to know whether the market values the eithics involved, or just thinks it’s a fine strategy.

If the latter, the market doesnkt really value their values, but rther their ability to make money. Which is mot the same thing.

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Post by taneq »

braythwayt wrote: post #239
braythwayt wrote: post #224

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Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

Sounds like you have a pretty good view from up there on your high horse.

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Post by kowdermeister »

foepys wrote: post #201
kowdermeister wrote: post #185

It be some background process or chrome extension communicating with google services. Because that would explain the automatic regeneration of cookies since cookie creation is automatic. And no, even this won't stop me using Chrome. You know what will? If I can identify it's causing BSOD on my system, like I've seen 2 yesterday.

BSOD can also be caused by bad graphics drivers. It's a major problem for browsers on Linux, so they don't enable hardware accelerated video playback by default. Firefox even used to remove the code from Linux builds but I think that they include it now.

That's what I'm thinking as well, it happened during WebGL development with the same symptoms both time.

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Post by unstuckdev »

braythwayt wrote: post #239
braythwayt wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. That’s how values work. You VALUE them, meaning—objectively—you are willing to make some sacrifice for them. Same goes for working for a predatory financial institution, a manufacturer who makes dangerous products, or for that matter, a company with a toxic culture. How is this different from working for a tobacco company? Decades ago we had the same conversation about people who ”were just following orders.” If…

One more thing (apologies): If you take the engineer off the hook because “they can’t change things,” you know what inevitably happens? You discover that the product and eng managers can’t change things either. In theory, maybe, but in practice they are given accountability for revenue and growth targets, so what choice do they have? Let’s move up the ladder. Can we blame the directors and ELT. No, the markets hold t…

Collective action problems are an awful mess. By the time it's clear to everyone that a problem exists, few individuals can get results in return for impoverishing and isolating themselves by taking a stand. The few who can are so dependent on the system that they aren't going to do anything without the threat of a guillotine or FBI raid.

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Post by vezycash »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #243
teddyh wrote: post #235

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IIRC, Firefox did that once , and then apologized. Unlike Google, who keeps doing the same thing all the time.

They just did it again to gain a count of users who turned telemetry off. In general, I see firefox's point that using the system extensions to deliver autouodates and allow them to iterate more quickly. However, it also feels like whenever we see these extensions that they're something shady.

With firefox, you can disable extension auto updates.

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Post by giancarlostoro »

snarfy wrote: post #195
orcdork wrote: post #139

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That feels like whitewashing part of the blame that applies to engineers and product developers. We don't get to say "oh it's those pesky money people, how dare they", while drawing a salary from the same pockets.

They disagree with the direction the company is going so they ... quit? They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else? I don't blame the engineers one bit. I certainly don't expect the poor engineer that had to implement the cookie changes to refuse and quit his job over it.

> They apply at some other company comparable to Google, uproot their family, move across country, and get a job somewhere else?

Why do they have to uproot their family? Why can't they just work from home? I don't understand why we still insist on making people physically show up for jobs that can be done from home in someone's PJ's.

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