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Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by GhostVII »

alacombe wrote: post #143
gschier wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's essentially "legal" in Canada already so no one really cares about it that much.

Bullshit, the RCMP has been pretty active here in BC to close illegal "dispensaries". By all likelyhood, this won't stop after this bill, as I trust the liberals to have properly secured weed's distribution. "Depenalization" would have been 10x better than this "legalization".

Just because they are closing places that sell weed, doesn't mean it is illegal, just controlled. Alcohol is legal, but the Ontario government is still going to close down any store selling it without authorization.

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by bitL »

courtneycouch0 wrote: post #259
bitL wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because those things cause falsifiable and measurable harm to society. Cannabis use is by all measures benign while its prohibition actually causing real harm. There are unfortunately people that could be damaged by smoking weed, irreversibly, if their schizophrenia proclivity gets activated. Also the easy escape from problems is not in society's best interest - see the ongoing shaming for gaming, where boys are pu…

> There are unfortunately people that could be damaged by smoking weed, irreversibly Perhaps peanuts should be made illegal. There are people that can be irreversibly damaged by consuming peanuts. If we’re goi to be consistent and ban or regulate substances because there might be harm to an incredibly small minority then sadly there would be very very few legal foods, medications, etc. hell we should probably ban str…

> wild times you’re fearful of are returning

I am not really fearing them for the sake of myself (well, except for the rise of violence/poverty they might cause). I can actually benefit from it myself by estimating what junkies would be willing to pay for and moving my e-commerce business into that direction, like what many are cynically doing now with older women and pet food. But I pity them, would rather see people achieving their full potential instead of getting their quick fix and wasting rest of the day on silly things. I just think by enabling (even if lighter) drugs, it would have profound effect on progress of our civilization, meaning no advanced space travel ("flying saucers"), no more improved physics, no faster computers, because if everybody is happy from smoking the weed, content with their life, why would they want to push frontiers of civilization? And frankly, I don't want to see USA/Europe end up as India, that has strong historic traditions of hallucinogens intervowen with their culture, together with tantric Buddhism suspected as the main reason of their millennium-long decline and abhorrent societal divisions.

Re: Canada legalises recreational cannabis use

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Post by 1over137 »

whazor wrote: post #195

This makes Canada the most advanced cannabis country! I remember reading in a Dutch news paper that Dutch weed growers were jealous of experiments in USA. The Dutch system does not allow growing and daily there is a rollup of a farm. Legalisation allows for cleaner products, new kind of products (drinkable), and other practises that professional businesses can perform. Cannabis legalisation will eventually be more an…

Well, Netherlands has edibles in its cafes, whereas Canada is not allowing edibles in the new regime (yet).

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Post by mgbmtl »

sdruskat wrote: post #150

Clutch predicted this in 2004: "Everybody move to Canada, smoke lots of pot, everybody move to Canada right now!" (Clutch, "The Mob Goes Wild", Blast Tyrant. DRT: 2004) https://youtu.be/XDCNJtK6XkE And seriously, there is obviously a massive commercial interest in legalized marijuana, hence we'll see more and more moves in that direction. The correlation with de-demonization (and de-criminalization!) of 'organic' dru…

Medical cannabis exists since 2001, then there were attempts to decriminalize (not legalize) recreational cannabis in 2003 and 2004, but both times died off because it could not pass in time before the end of the legislative session.

However, it was followed by a 12 year Conservative government, sometimes a minority government, so nothing happened federally, but there were many provincial court cases that helped change how the laws were being applied.

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Post by yodsanklai »

ada1981 wrote: post #240
flukus wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very US centric view but the war on drugs is very international. Cannabis is illegal in most of the world where Americas race relations simply aren't issues, so I really don't buy into this reasoning. This is good old moral superiority at work.

The parent comment is correct. It’s not even a controversial position, as it’s been stated publically by the people who crafted and implemented the legislation that this was the stated aim. And the US demanded that other countries adopt our drug policy laws and they followed our lead. This cognitive censorship is something to be outraged about - flies directly in the face of the Establishment Clause of the first Amem…

> And the US demanded that other countries adopt our drug policy laws and they followed our lead.

I know it's a common meme on HN but I find it hard to believe that the whole world decided to ban cannabis just because the US wanted to. It may have been a contributing/deciding factor in some places but there must be more to it.

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Post by ihsw2 »

Cofike wrote: post #127

I was born in Buffalo, no longer there due to lack of tech jobs (that isn’t blue cross blue shield). The Canadian side of Niagara Falls already destroys our side. Much more development. Way more activities to do. Gorgeous view of the falls. All around better. Now that weed is legalized this will only become more and more apparent. They will attract more individuals from both sides of the border and I bet see much mor…

The Canadian side of Niagara Falls is largely a wine tourist/falls tourist trap and St Catherine's and Hamilton are just areas you drive through to get from Toronto to Niagara Falls, how do you see development in these areas being spurred?

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Post by Fifer82 »

thisacctforreal wrote: post #224
megaman22 wrote: post #94

Having enjoyed a few edibles in Amsterdam, weed products are fantastic. The sense of non-anxiety is infectious. I would pay handsomely for that few fucks to give.

Conversely, a subset of the population may experience weed-induced psychosis. I experience it while high, so I only take a toke or two irregularly. I might feel as if I'm experiencing the pain of a broken leg, or that my foot is bleeding, as well as more abstract things. It also grants some introspection and lateral thinking so its not a bad time. I've heard higher amounts of CBD can counteract this, but I just mooch…

Is "weed-induced psychosis" an actual bad thing? Of course it sounds terrible, but do people jump out of windows, or rake their throat out scratching an itch that isn't there? Is it dangerous or just one of those things? A Nut allergy for example?

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Post by 1over137 »

Tiktaalik wrote: post #59
itchyjunk wrote: post #2

I wonder how many state has to legalize it before the federal government in USA is forced to change their classification. It seems like more and more state will legalize it over time anyways.

States starting to legalize it was likely a big part of why the Canadian government became comfortable with the idea of legalizing it. The idea of legalization, or at least decriminalization, has been floating around in Canada since the 90s, but a major talking point against the idea has been that it would compromise Canada's relationship with the USA. Obviously as internal parts of the USA are legalizing it this is…

Since way before the 90s my young friend! :) Check out the 1979 federal election debate, fast forward to 1:11:00.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfDSimvCFY

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Post by ihsw2 »

1over137 wrote: post #263
whazor wrote: post #195

This makes Canada the most advanced cannabis country! I remember reading in a Dutch news paper that Dutch weed growers were jealous of experiments in USA. The Dutch system does not allow growing and daily there is a rollup of a farm. Legalisation allows for cleaner products, new kind of products (drinkable), and other practises that professional businesses can perform. Cannabis legalisation will eventually be more an…

Well, Netherlands has edibles in its cafes, whereas Canada is not allowing edibles in the new regime (yet).

Which is unfortunate because cannabis edibles are the most accessible way to consume it in privacy and without the odor or smokey exhaust.

There is research on THC-infused drinks that match the alcoholic beverage experience in time-to-inebriation and the duration of inebriation. Current methods of cannabis consumption stretch the experience out over a long period, which naturally is unfeasible for restaurant venues and the like.

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Post by nickik »

fsloth wrote: post #190
nickik wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if it was all about domestic politics then there would have been no reason to to that.

Except fighting drugs requires international co-operation. Once the officials are legally bound to do something, they will start doing their business as effectively as possible, including, perhaps, feeding back the message to the higher ups that they need international co-operation. The higher ups cannot say "we don't care" because that would immediately politically de-legitimize the drugwar effort. Hence, all polici…

I was responding to the idea that it is not about fighting drugs.

> because its goal was to incarcerate, disenfranchise, extort, terrorize, and break apart the families of minorities so that America could retain a racial hierarchy after the civil rights movement

IF you believe this then trying to solve the problem at its roots you are undermining your own strategy.

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