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Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by Sabinus »

notriddle wrote: post #183
quadrangle wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I skipped Hanlon's Razor and jumped to assuming your speculations are right, then I'd say Google wants to head off a future where people specifically donate to those who aren't doing ad-monetizing (i.e. the only ones who actually deserve donations!!) Google wants creators funded, but they want the system to push their ad-focused approach. The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, dest…

They should set up a way for viewers to fund creators through YouTube itself instead of through a third-party crowdfunding service. That way, they can take their cut for keeping the lights on. Since they know what videos you watch, they could automatically distribute teh monies the same way they already do, but just not show you an ad. What would be really nice, from a viewer standpoint, would be if it was done on a…

They're actually trialing this feature.

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6304294

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by varren »

dilap wrote: post #220
rrcaptain wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean, that only happened because advertisers learned that the "independent" creators were all assholes. Like this started after advertisers started pulling out when PewDiePie didn't just apologize and admit he was wrong with the Nazi stunts. He threw a fit and advertisers realized that YouTube isn't really as good as they thought it was.

I honestly don't believe this. I think YouTube used this as an excuse to crack down on channels they didn't like, for whatever reason. (And also a lot of other channels, because the flagging is poorly done. I know some people who run a very popular skateboarding instruction channel, and they've had huge problems with demonitization. The content is utterly inoffensive.) I think if all you were concerned about is adver…

+ 1 flagging is extremely poorly done. Have a friend with gaming channel and he showed me how it is easy to get video demonetised, just add "fetish", "cannibal", any religious phrase... The fun and insanely frustrating part is that you can reupload same video with same description, tags and titles second(or maybe more) times and it will be monetised if algorithm will think you are lucky... wtf. And you can't appeal if your video has less than 1k views for the last week. I know it's not much, but appeal process takes 1 week and usually most videos get majority of their views in that 1-st week, so it is easier to just reupload...

It's fine if new videos get flagged, you can reupload them, but youtube bots flag old videos and there is no notification whatsoever. Even their own "Video manager board" not showing them as demonitised, because they still get money from youtube red and considered as claimed, you have to enter "edit video" to see the notification. You just have to manually search them... And for gaming channels with 1-2k videos it's a pain.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by kbenson »

foxylad wrote: post #232
Neirin wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

oh no, now I just have even more questions, what is mastodon?

A good replacement for Twitter. Where "good" means: - Decentralised. Anyone can run their own instance, but instances are federated so everyone on any instance can see your toots (Mastodon's tweets). So if you're paranoid about privacy or hate Nazi bootboys, you can run your own instance with complete control. - A nice progression of feeds from only people you follow; to all toots of your instance; to toots from all…

Don't worry, either your Eternal September is coming, or it will never take off.

Unfortu steely I think there's no way around that at this point, as I suspect any growth curve that actually allows a group to keep a culture will never be growing fast enough for the vastajoriry of people to put up with for long enough for it to grow sizable enough. :/

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by mmozeiko »

EastSmith wrote: post #186

I would love to buy a preinstalled peertube instance on a Raspberry Pi and plug it in somewhere around the house.

From https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/blob/develop/support/...

> Please don't install PeerTube for production on a small device behind a low bandwidth connection (example: a Raspberry PI behind your ADSL link) because it could slow down the fediverse.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by em3rgent0rdr »

sumanthvepa wrote: post #213

It seems to me that YouTube's business model is ad supported. They need to run ads to pay for infrastructure to support the service and make profit for themselves, since they are not charging the user. So a sufficiently large channel that does not permit ads will eat into their revenues.i.e. it becomes an expensive free rider. This, I guess, is the reason behind the decision. I suppose it makes sense. But I don't see…

Actually YouTube has started a patronage "Sponsorship" system, where users pay $5 a month to support a channel (and get "perks").

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by hex12648430 »

gravypod wrote: post #192
nkoren wrote: post #189

Okay, the Youtube/political angle of this is pretty horrendous and is deserving of discussion. But they pose a question about Peertube: how well does it hold? In my limited testing from central San Francisco: it doesn't. Which makes me sad. Anybody have any insight into the pros/cons/ultimate performance/scalability limits for Peertube? Is the flakiness a function of immature technology or inviable technology?

For video serving encoding technology is good enough that we don't actually have to shovel that much data over the network. Latency is the biggest issue from what I understand. Most of the amazing work google has done to make youtube fast is the magic behind google's omni-presence established world wide. Like they say in the post they have one datacenter in the EU serving this content. If they used AWS and spun up an…

>If they used AWS and spun up an instance serving content from every AWS region available the performance would be much better.

This actually could be done by anyone since PeerTube uses WebTorrent. Good samaritans could run a webtorrent-hybrid or WebTorrent Desktop instance and help serve those videos from their home connection or personal server(s).

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by Xorlev »

flukus wrote: post #210
tmpz22 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like Google is pretty conscious of their own PR, presumably actions like this alert Youtube employees that everything they do isn't in the best interest of humanity.

Google employees work for the worlds largest spyware company. They aren't worried about being ethical.

That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with. Maybe avoid sweeping generalities.

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by quadrangle »

notriddle wrote: post #183
quadrangle wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I skipped Hanlon's Razor and jumped to assuming your speculations are right, then I'd say Google wants to head off a future where people specifically donate to those who aren't doing ad-monetizing (i.e. the only ones who actually deserve donations!!) Google wants creators funded, but they want the system to push their ad-focused approach. The last thing Google wants is a future where the (unethical, horrible, dest…

They should set up a way for viewers to fund creators through YouTube itself instead of through a third-party crowdfunding service. That way, they can take their cut for keeping the lights on. Since they know what videos you watch, they could automatically distribute teh monies the same way they already do, but just not show you an ad. What would be really nice, from a viewer standpoint, would be if it was done on a…

They are happy enough to get into that world if it's part of keeping everyone on YouTube where they still get to be the dominant ad system overall.

Google's strategy as they offer patronage options will be to make it a ransom that removes ads. That way, the ads are still there for non-patrons and Google gets to keep their primary business model.

What I'm saying is that patronage should go to those who treat the public better by not showing ads to anyone. We shouldn't reward bad behavior through ransoms that make the bad stuff go away just for those who pay up.

http://mimiandeunice.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/ME_486_P...

Re: Blender is testing PeerTube after YouTube blocks their videos worldwide

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Post by Endy »

Am I the only one who thinks it would be better if Blender uploaded directly to archive.org or archive.is? As much as it's interesting on a technical level, the fact that PeerTube is by nature decentralized and self-hosted is going to reduce Blender's overall visibility (which is what I think Alphabet/Google wants).

Whether Alphabet is still making any money off SketchUp, or whether one of the 3D companies is paying them something, I think this move was intentionally targeted on their part. And unfortunately, like most of the things that have happened ever since Google completely dropped the first word from "Don't Be Evil", I'm terrified that they're going to win.

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