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Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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I'm a Whole Foods employee, having one of those rare (for me) moments where I can reasonably be considered very well-informed on the subject of a news article, and it's a little bit disturbing just how misinformed and one-sided the article is. The author seems to have talked with 10-20 disgruntled employees at a few stores nationwide, and a few customers on top of that. Maybe she should have reached out to Whole Food…

> I'm a Whole Foods employee, having one of those rare (for me) moments where I can reasonably be considered very well-informed on the subject of a news article, and it's a little bit disturbing just how misinformed and one-sided the article is. "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show b…

Or, like me, you end up beleiving journalists are mendacious idiots.

And lo! Polls say that Journalists are less trusted than politicins and used car salesmen. And I know that must be true because I read it in a newspaper somewhere.

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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Surely the metric should be "Do they know more than me?" Or are you concerned that you'll move towards the apex of the Dunning Kruger chart?

> Surely the metric should be "Do they know more than me?" That's not a good metric. A better metric would be, "are they trustworthy and correct?" > Or are you concerned that you'll move towards the apex of the Dunning Kruger chart? Disqus is over there.

> are they trustworthy and correct?

So well-meaning idiots trump experts that might be trying to trick you?

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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> I'm a Whole Foods employee, having one of those rare (for me) moments where I can reasonably be considered very well-informed on the subject of a news article, and it's a little bit disturbing just how misinformed and one-sided the article is. "Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show b…

I have never seen a "news" report where I personally knew what happened reported accurately. I am sure we have reporters here so I have a question for you - why is this? Do you just not care about the details, are too rushed and it is faster to just make up crap, or something else I have not considered?

Devil's in the details, I guess. It's really hard to be a subject matter expert at everything, yet we find journalists are often required to write pieces about topics in fields they've never worked.

The Paul Krugman model (PhD, nobel prize winner, professor at MIT/Princeton, writing for the NYT) is quite rare. And even then, he doesn't exclusively write about his field of expertise.

You mentioned reporting though... reporting facts is actually the one thing that journalists do often get right, and that's largely viewed as something holy. Analysis of journalism often finds that western journalists are incredibly accurate in their reporting, but they (un)wilfully frame stories, omit (sometimes by ignorance) important details or focus on meaningless anecdotes.

For example, there was a time when in my region the local news kept reporting that 'real estate boom: 60% of homes are being sold for or above the asking price'. All news agencies took it over, a rare few even omitting 'for or' and just reported '60% above asking price'. If you looked carefully, they cited data from a RE agent association that had an interest in making it seem as if you could make an easy buck by buying a home before it rose even more. The association's media reports focused on the 60% figure, but didn't mention the flipside of the underlying data: about 40% of homes were sold below the asking price and 40% were sold for approximately the asking price. In other words, news agencies could have also reported the exact same data by stating '80% of homes were sold for or below the asking price'.

I'd been reading these news reports (among others) for a year before I decided to buy a home and had a certain impression of the RE market going into it (a sellers market, had to bid aggressively and wave various rights to recourse to convince a seller). Not until I dove into the data did I find the reporting mischaracterised the market, despite citing factual data. The reason I think in this case and others, is that the journalists aren't RE agents, they're mostly just 29 year-olds with a journalism degree reporting on the 8 different industries they were assigned to, from RE to dairy to, relying heavily on industry associations' brief media reports and representatives to shape a narrative.

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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post #198

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Surely the metric should be "Do they know more than me?" Or are you concerned that you'll move towards the apex of the Dunning Kruger chart?

> Surely the metric should be "Do they know more than me?" That's not a good metric. A better metric would be, "are they trustworthy and correct?" > Or are you concerned that you'll move towards the apex of the Dunning Kruger chart? Disqus is over there.

Why is that a better metric? There are levels of correctness. Do you sincerely believe that each article you read will push you backwards in knowledge? Even an untrustworthy source can contain valuable information; just ask an historian.

The Dunning Kruger joke was only partially a joke - I was trying to explain that there are levels of expertise. My view is that anything that increases my knowledge is good; I was trying to elicit a response as to why someone might think otherwise.

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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post #198

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> Surely the metric should be "Do they know more than me?" That's not a good metric. A better metric would be, "are they trustworthy and correct?" > Or are you concerned that you'll move towards the apex of the Dunning Kruger chart? Disqus is over there.

> are they trustworthy and correct? So well-meaning idiots trump experts that might be trying to trick you?

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Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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From the article: Order-to-shelf "has transformed the inventory levels that we have in the back room, essentially clearing them out so that we're mainly focusing on what we call our never-outs, the key items that we need to have in stock all the time in our stores," If your item isn't on the "never out" list I suppose they don't really care about gaps in availability. The problem with that isn't just customer satisfa…

Whole foods has a lot of very niche specialty food. That is what they are probably scaling back on. For example there's a small organic food store near my house that no longer sells cocoa butter because it's very expensive and rarely purchased. And it's more common now, but I used to have to go to Whole Foods foods for things like almond flour, coconut flour, dairy-free products, and gluten-free products. (I used to…

>> Whole foods has a lot of very niche specialty food. That is what they are probably scaling back on.

A lot of people go there because of those items. But hey, if they want to compete on price with Kroger more power to them.

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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Or just judge them by their actions, not anything that is said. Examine their voting record, lobby donations, and primary information and action. Decide from there.

At some point you have to trust some sort of authority that provides you with those records, along with the required context.

Why is that? Why can't you keep an open mind, traverse multiple sources and draw your own conclusions? Think of it as a diversified portfolio. I'm not asking for more time, just that it we spread out.

Without that, we get the barely binary system that we have. The MSM can be lazy and non-journalistic because no one bothers to notice. No one cares.

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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At some point you have to trust some sort of authority that provides you with those records, along with the required context.

Why is that? Why can't you keep an open mind, traverse multiple sources and draw your own conclusions? Think of it as a diversified portfolio. I'm not asking for more time, just that it we spread out. Without that, we get the barely binary system that we have. The MSM can be lazy and non-journalistic because no one bothers to notice. No one cares.

unfortunately an average of two opposing lies is not always the truth

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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post #143

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Whole foods has a lot of very niche specialty food. That is what they are probably scaling back on. For example there's a small organic food store near my house that no longer sells cocoa butter because it's very expensive and rarely purchased. And it's more common now, but I used to have to go to Whole Foods foods for things like almond flour, coconut flour, dairy-free products, and gluten-free products. (I used to…

>> Whole foods has a lot of very niche specialty food. That is what they are probably scaling back on. A lot of people go there because of those items. But hey, if they want to compete on price with Kroger more power to them.

It’s why I go there. If they drop my SKUs I’ll drop them.

Re: Whole Foods employees reveal why stores are facing a crisis of food shortages

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Becuase trump attacks facts which people know are true from multiple corroborated sources. But even that is wrong. Firstly fake news is exactly that - actually fabricated websites designed to look like “the Sacramento beast” or what have you, filled with content that will sound legitimate to an American conservative and trick them into clicking on ads. That’s fake news and it’s actually not even news, it’s more like…

Crowd images don't tell the whole story. There is grass on the National Mall. During the Obama inauguration, people walked on it as you would expect. The damage cost several $million to fix. In photos of the Trump inauguration crowd, notice that the sparsely-occupied area is white. It was covered in translucent boxes to protect the grass. (the boxes were borrowed from stadiums that use them for events like concerts)…

You seem to focus on the pictures, but completely ignore the fact that Trumps use of the term "fake news" is in itself, "fake news" by his updated definition.
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