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Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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How do unions work in the US? From what I hear it sounds like members are "employed" by the union and the company is forced to hire workers from the union? Have I misunderstood?

In Europe workers are hired by the company and are free to enter whichever union he or she wants or not to join a union. Usually all workers at a workplace join the same union and form a local branch/club at the workplace. Unions are national and usually there's several different unions organised under one union organiser. The biggest union organiser in Norway have almost a million members (that's one fifth of the population!) across almost 30 different unions. So when push comes to shove they are able to call a general strike and basically shut down the country. That almost never happens though.

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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Yes. There was a major strike of screenwriters in 2008. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–08_Writers_Guild_of_Ame...

A previous strike closer to 2000 was the birth of "reality television". The original Survivor was pitched on the basis of its immunity to a looming writers strike.

Unions: We demand high pay for high-quality work!

Management: We don't want high-quality work. Bye.

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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Exec salaries, golden parachutes, mistakes in management, dividends etc over the decades played no role right?

As unfair & objectionable as those things might be, quite a lot of companies seem to manage to pay their execs excessive salaries, provide golden parachutes, and pay out dividends without requiring government bailout.

All car manufacturers except Ford were bailed out, and Ford is about as unionised as anybody else.

Not to mention the bank bailouts, and I don't remember banks being known for their exceptionally strong labour organisation.

The bailouts were the reaction to an exogenous shock, the recession, and have not much to say about labour politics. In fact unions have the ability to collectively negotiate wage stalls, like in Germany in the early 2000s or Scandinavia in the 80s. Which is a positive in recessions to maintain employment and liquidity.

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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post #261

How do unions work in the US? From what I hear it sounds like members are "employed" by the union and the company is forced to hire workers from the union? Have I misunderstood? In Europe workers are hired by the company and are free to enter whichever union he or she wants or not to join a union. Usually all workers at a workplace join the same union and form a local branch/club at the workplace. Unions are national…

>How do unions work in the US? From what I hear it sounds like members are "employed" by the union and the company is forced to hire workers from the union? Have I misunderstood?

This is the case in the EU as well. If your company is of a certain size, you are required to pay a person that works for the union rather than for the company.

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> Union members are actually disproportionately likely to support things like right-to-work laws, which unions dislike because it (more or less) means workers aren't obligated to be members if they choose not to. Right-to-work laws are like prop 13 in California: sounds good on the surface, but hidden terrible impact. On the surface, "I should be able to choose whether or not I join a union" makes sense, Americans lo…

> but don't have to pay any fees That's not true.

People who don't join a union still have to pay union fees?

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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How about we change the laws so that people who support the union are free to join, and people who DON'T are free to leave? If unions are so great, then they should stand on their own 2 feet, instead of forcing everyone to join them.

How about we change the laws so that people who support the US Government are free to pay taxes, and people who DON'T are free to renounce their citizenship but keep their residency and protections? See the problem?

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Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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>The "uncertainty" and "doubt" in "FUD"? The South Carolina workers are quite certain and have no doubt that Seattle lost the extra 787 assembly work and it was given to SC workers without the union. That's where a properly functioning government steps in and stops it. OF COURSE private companies are going to break a union any way possible if the government isn't there to step in. If the US military said "you close t…

How about instead of that, we let the people of South Carolina decide for themselves whether they want a union or not. The people of South Carolina seem to be quite happy with the current situation.

Let's see what you think when those jobs move outside the US.

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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Same happened in Germany at 6 Amazon logistic sites at Oct 31, one of the biggest german holidays. https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/Verdi-ruft-an-drei-d... They even have their own website: https://www.amazon-verdi.de/

What effort people take to work at an obviously toxic company... the job market must be really bad.

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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Nobody's forcing you to work for a union shop. Find a place that isn't unionized if you don't want to be part of a union.

Instead of doing that I am just going to oppose all unions everywhere and try and prevent them from getting any power at all. Why? Because as soon as they get a foothold, it is done. Over. Can't get rid of them. There are literally rules where they can fire you for trying to end the union. If it weren't for attitudes like yours, I wouldn't be opposing unions. But your attitude DOES exist, so my only option is all out…

You are missing the point of unions. They aren't here for software engineers making couple hundred grand a year. They are here so that we don't have people losing limbs at work because the company was too cheap to do safety properly.

You aren't interested in the service, fine. But I'm not sure why you feel like you need to cry about unions when you aren't their target group anyway?

Re: Workers at Amazon's main Italian hub, German warehouses strike on Black Friday

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What a whole bunch of inaccuracies. I have no time to waste rebutting all the multiple falsehoods in this post, but I want people living in other countries know that it is filled with inaccuracies and plain falsehoods.

You are FUDding. I'm an Italian living in Italy, and I 100% agree with the parent comment. Also, I'd add that most members of Italian national unions are retired people, so unions mostly care about pensions,ending being often in contrast with younger workers interests (for instance, keeping retirement age low, even if it's one of the lowest in the EU). One must also consider that there's a strong divide between union…

thanks. as an Italian I'm baffled how someone can be so blind at what's really happening with unions here
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