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Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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nawgszy wrote: post #162
reitanqild wrote: post #147

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Yes. And they are trying to kill every other browser as well :-/ At this point I dislike chrome for exactly the same reasons I disliked IE: it is not good enough for me [0] and its sheer dominance makes web creators lazy and triggers bean counters to skimp on cross browser compatibility checks. But this time they could actually use it for good. [0]: yep. You would hear the same thing back then: You are the only one w…

>it is not good enough for me Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you? The other day I posed this question in a thread, and the main answer was "a good feeling inside". Then the news that Mozilla forces you into being tracked by Google Analytics comes out, and that good feeling is gone, so what's your use case?

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Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by rpearl »

mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Ah yes, Google should definitely punish end users because of what ISPs are trying to do.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by cdubzzz »

reitanqild wrote: post #214
nawgszy wrote: post #162

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>it is not good enough for me Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you? The other day I posed this question in a thread, and the main answer was "a good feeling inside". Then the news that Mozilla forces you into being tracked by Google Analytics comes out, and that good feeling is gone, so what's your use case?

Well, I am curious: what makes other browsers better for you? Real extensions? Yeah I know they will be less useful than they used to be but still way better than anything else it seems. The fact that it handles my browsing habits like a few hundred open tabs? Oh, and by now using almost any other browser than chrome give me a happy feeling. The limit goes somewhere between Edge and IE it seems :-P Then the news that…

A bit of hyperbole, but here's the reference: https://github.com/mozilla/addons-frontend/issues/2785

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by takeda »

mabbo wrote: post #140
bnewbold wrote: post #59

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To state the obvious, this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality. Also, the belief that there would be "competitors in the user's area that don't play stupid games" that offer comparable services (eg, within a factor of 5x bandwidth-per-dollar value) seems to be a misunderstanding of the utility/monopoly/duopoly economics in play in many regions of the USA.

> this proposal is antithetical to the concept of network neutrality Exactly the point I'm trying to make. If Google turns around and says "Fine, you don't like net neutrality? Let me show you how this works both ways". The ISPs do not make the product, they sell the access to the product. If the product goes away, then they aren't selling anything at all- and their customers will stop paying them.

IMO the reason Google doesn't do much here is that they are in a very good spot here. They are not in any danger, and if anything ISPs would probably pay them to provide their service.

So I doubt Google would ever do anything at this point.

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Post by mr_spothawk »

bobcallme wrote: post #32

"Net Neutrality" in its final form did not solve or fix any problems with the Internet. The definition of "Net Neutrality" is poorly defined, too vague and does not have any proposed legislation attached to "fix" things. Even when new rules were implemented, ISPs still throttled torrents and manipulated traffic. The only way to fix the Internet is to do so from a technical perspective, not by adding more regulations…

I've mentioned a number of times before, but I'm actually advocating to my friends against their participation today for the reason that I believe, if the Evil ISP acts in a crumby way, that it will create demand for better service. And I think that's the only way to get to a Mesh Internet For The People, By The People.

My position is that: We don't need big pipes (or millions of hours of television piped to us every month), we need the interfaces and hardware for connecting with each other.

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Post by komali2 »

mr_spothawk wrote: post #249
avar wrote: post #230

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Radiolab did an episode recently[1] which disagrees with that Bloomberg article. They interview ex-Secretary of Defense William Perry asking him what controls there are, if any, on a crazy president just willy-nilly deciding to nuke something. He says there's absolutely none, even if the president is in a room full of people who vehemently disagree with him he alone makes the call to launch. 1. http://www.radiolab.or…

the Gov has a vested interest in other Govs believing that the president's button can do a thing. i'm not sure who to trust... but I did learn the word "Verisimilitude" the other day.

Ex secretary isn't really part of "The Gov" anymore.

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by mouldysammich »

jameslk wrote: post #256
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

Wouldn't this basically be a form of economic tort? If so, I doubt Google would want to be on the receiving end of the legal consequences.

If net neutrality was gutted, wouldnt they be allowed to do that? Is that not the same thing that the ISP is doing?

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Post by komali2 »

willstrafach wrote: post #232
briandear wrote: post #220

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Not exactly true. There is a two man rule to launch. On paper the president has the power, but there are extensive safeguards in place.

They are not allowed to override POTUS.

Correction: Overriding POTUS is illegal and has consequences that do not include the planet being nuked.

They absolutely have the real authority (ability) to refuse the order, and then the real authority to prevent the nuke from being launched (by eating their key, shooting anybody else that comes into the room, shooting the key/console, etc).

Re: Net Neutrality Day of Action: Help Preserve the Open Internet

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Post by tomsmeding »

komali2 wrote: post #80
mabbo wrote: post #19

If Google were actually serious about Net Neutrality, they would use their insane market power to protect it. How? Well, a simple statement saying "any ISP who abuses net neutrality will have their customers cut off from Google products". No Google search, no YouTube, no Gmail. Have those requests instead redirect to a website telling the customer what their ISP is doing, why Google won't work with them, and how to c…

I love this idea because I read too much cyberpunk. Why doesn't Twitter flex its muscle and cause a national crisis by tweeting "watch out China, nukes are coming" from Donald Trump's Twitter? That ruins trust in the platform, but what if they just banned the US president's account for TOS or something? Enormous amount of power. What if Musk's first ship to Mars had a hidden Railgun on it? "Anybody else that wants to…

Worth noting: Comcast slurping up FBI traffic won't be very profitable, I think. Assuming that the FBI is smart enough to use encrypted communication (https is really easy nowadays), Comcast is up for a challenge if they want to get interesting data.
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