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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by vkjv »

radmuzom wrote: post #129
srinathrajaram wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The worker's salary is a employer's responsibility. If the the worker become underpaid without the tipping, then the worker is underpaid by the employer. This! Tipping is nothing but the employer passing the buck and guilting the customer.

I find it very funny when people argue that increasing the minimum wage would increase costs for consumers (I don't necessarily disagree; in some cases it would, whether that is a bad thing is a different matter). I personally would pay a higher price, no tips and ensure that the workers serving can meet their basic needs via wages alone.

Just an FYI, but if a tipped employee does not meet the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference.

https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by Trundle »

coldtea wrote: post #37

> Now what if we were to magically make tipping disappear? Think about the diner for a second. What if, by removing tips from your restaurant, you’ll actually end up delighting more guests, improving your food, and retaining employees? Well, I've dined all over the world (not an American btw), and the US had the most friendly and alert waiting stuff, which I guess it's at least party because of the tipping. Sure, in…

Definitely cultural as the other guy said. When I visit the US I imagine I get much the same experience as you but instead of "friendly" and "alert" my description would be more "intrusive" and "transparently faking a level of happiness I only experience very infrequently and never while at work."

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by [deleted] »

vkjv wrote: post #261
radmuzom wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it very funny when people argue that increasing the minimum wage would increase costs for consumers (I don't necessarily disagree; in some cases it would, whether that is a bad thing is a different matter). I personally would pay a higher price, no tips and ensure that the workers serving can meet their basic needs via wages alone.

Just an FYI, but if a tipped employee does not meet the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

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Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by vostok »

grecy wrote: post #203
tjic wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When a person walks into a restaurant in the USA they can waive a $20 bill at a waitperson and say if you do what I want, and if I like you, and if I'm feeling generous, I might give you some of this. So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? Because it's exactly the same thing.

> So you also dislike bonuses for white collar professionals? I do dislike them, because in a way they are the similar - you work really hard and you can't be sure if you will get it or not. It's the classic carrot on a stick motivation. > Because it's exactly the same thing. At most companies, how you get a bonus and how much it is is very clearly defined, and so in that regard, it's not similar to tipping at all.

> At most companies, how you get a bonus and how much it is is very clearly defined, and so in that regard, it's not similar to tipping at all.

I'm surprised that this has been your experience. In many cases, even cases where bonus is 3x annual salary, the bonus is "discretionary" and little is clearly defined.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by rubidium »

zip1234 wrote: post #230
rbcgerard wrote: post #216

Jobs that have a high component of tip income, generally tend to be low wage (total comp), seasonal, have high turnover, employ younger workers (again, generally), and are transaction oriented. With the above in mind it makes sense to use tipping to align enployees and management in a situation where management can't spend the time developing/micro managing its employees You think the average teenage valet is going t…

I would agree except for the fact that tips have been found to largely not correlate with performance. http://freakonomics.com/2012/12/28/do-we-really-tip-based-on...

That link doesn't provide any facts to back up your claim.

As someone who has worked in the food industry, tipping is definitely correlated with performance (among a couple other obvious factors).

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by emodendroket »

pzh wrote: post #55

The problem with no tipping, in my experince (especially in Europe), is that waiters aren't incentivized to turn tables. If you go to a popular spot for dinner that happens to be completely full and ask for a table, the waiter will usually shrug their shoulders and say 'Sorry, try again tomorrow.' Usually, there is no concept of a waiting list or a waiting time estimate, because diners are conditioned that they can s…

See, the problem is you aren't comparing to enough places. People don't typically sit around restaurants for three hours in Japan despite there being no tips. I'd say there are other cultural factors at play here -- European customers don't want to be rushed out and would dislike a restaurant that hurried them, tips or not.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by thoughtsimple »

vkjv wrote: post #261
radmuzom wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it very funny when people argue that increasing the minimum wage would increase costs for consumers (I don't necessarily disagree; in some cases it would, whether that is a bad thing is a different matter). I personally would pay a higher price, no tips and ensure that the workers serving can meet their basic needs via wages alone.

Just an FYI, but if a tipped employee does not meet the minimum wage, the employer must make up the difference. https://webapps.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/002.htm

This is almost certainly going to rarely happen. Almost no server feels empowered enough to insist on this. And restaurant owners will start insisting on collecting and counting cash tips so they can fully account for the wages. No server wants their boss counting their cash tips. At least in Massachusetts, declared tips is self reported.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by jbmorgado »

rbcgerard wrote: post #216

Jobs that have a high component of tip income, generally tend to be low wage (total comp), seasonal, have high turnover, employ younger workers (again, generally), and are transaction oriented. With the above in mind it makes sense to use tipping to align enployees and management in a situation where management can't spend the time developing/micro managing its employees You think the average teenage valet is going t…

The way you talk, is like if basically the all rest of the world didn't had a functioning commerce without tipping.

Then again, it's also the typical mindset of the common American about everything else that works great in the rest of the 1st world but for which the average American keeps finding excuses not to do. I.E.: Universal Healthcare, Free Access to higher education, Gun Control, Light Drugs Legalisation, etc.

Re: No tipping means better business

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Post by return0 »

Tip to americans: tipping is ultra-confusing to foreign visitors. But you dont depend on tourism so you dont see it. Its an arduous procedure and the amount changes from state to state. It leads to a lot of misunderstanding. The service is good , leaning on overbearing sometimes, but overall i think its more hassle than benefit.
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