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Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Post by tajen »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #71
Ajedi32 wrote: post #27

> These services track us everywhere, while claiming to give us a better “user experience”. That's kind of the problem though; they usually _do_ offer a better user experience. If we want users to start using open source software rather than walled garden solutions from large companies, we're going to have to start building open source solutions which offer a comparable user experience to proprietary ones from large…

I personally believe the approach proposed by Daplie is the way forward, not only because it allows users to take back control of their own data, but also because you don't have to give up on a friendly user experience to do so: https://daplie.com/

I knew https://sandstorm.io and I just went to see daplie.com: My worry with Daplie is whether the UI will be as cool as promised. Sandstorm is the same idea as Daplie without the hardware part, and already their features aren't as useful as I initially thought.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Post by tajen »

estel wrote: post #156
bad_user wrote: post #148

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They can change your perception of anything, leading you to buying stupid shit you don't need, or to voting for somebody that doesn't protect your interests. And any piece of knowledge is dangerous in the right context. This is usually felt more strongly by minorities. You're actually privileged if you're a straight, white, middle class male, but even so you can end up being harassed and hurt for who you are. Have yo…

These all feel like hypothetical examples of potential problems to me. Yes, I have a heap of privilege, and I can understand why people might be concerned about these things, but deep down I don't believe (still!) that Adwords is something that puts these minorities at risk.

> but deep down I don't believe that AdWords is something that puts these minorities at risk

Case in point example! On Twitter Ads, I select the gender "male" for my projects. It's because my software sells twice better to males, but if everyone notices the same, it'll also mean women aren't properly informed of software options on the market. Having the gender on the ad platform provokes a discrimination by minorities.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Post by coolaj86 »

ZenoArrow wrote: post #231
drivingmenuts wrote: post #214

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They actually changed it - when I looked at it, they had some BS about approving linking to their site. Tried finding the backup on archive.org, but it's having a difficult time with that site.

>"They actually changed it - when I looked at it, they had some BS about approving linking to their site." How long ago did you first read about it? Was it before the Indiegogo campaign started? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/daplie-the-cloud-system-t...

Hello! I'm AJ. I manage the website. We started the site with a cookie cutter template and left a garbage TOS and Privacy Policy in there by mistake. Someone told me about this post and so I pretty much pulled the TOS and I've been working through the Privacy Policy too. Consider this a draft, would love your feedback on github issues: https://github.com/daplie/daplie.com/

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Post by weberc2 »

omginternets wrote: post #185
weberc2 wrote: post #101

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Why would Google create a high barrier of entry to get you on their platform? Their entire business model is based on tracking and advertising, so they have every incentive to lower this barrier to the greatest degree possible.

It's about having high-quality information about these people. Google would rather have fewer people that are more valuable.

Seriously? Their business is advertising and their technology depends on big data and is designed to scale, and they offer all of their services for free. It seems like they have a huge incentive to know as much as possible about as many as possible.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Post by pierre_d528 »

majewsky wrote: post #254
pierre_d528 wrote: post #164

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The cloud is going back to mainframes (e.g. Chromebook). Kay and 2.8MB system (Squeak). TCP/IP in 160 SLOC (Ian Piumarta). You mix Open source and Free software. Go have a real degree first (real science like physics), then maybe go back to computing. Cannot catch up with the 70s!

My physics diploma says that you're not contributing any useful arguments to the discussion at hand.

Your contribution is very interesting : it shows how little a diploma (a.k.a. "education") has to do with any kind of ability to produce anything useful.

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Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Post by newsat13 »

tajen wrote: post #261
ZenoArrow wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally believe the approach proposed by Daplie is the way forward, not only because it allows users to take back control of their own data, but also because you don't have to give up on a friendly user experience to do so: https://daplie.com/

I knew https://sandstorm.io and I just went to see daplie.com: My worry with Daplie is whether the UI will be as cool as promised. Sandstorm is the same idea as Daplie without the hardware part, and already their features aren't as useful as I initially thought.

Have you tried https://cloudron.io ?
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