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Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Just talking about search alternative; DuckDuckGo is my default search engine for over 2 years. It's incredibly good, the only caveat is you need to re-learn how to search. The same way you "changed yourself" initially for google.

Except google didn't need learning, in fact that's part of what made it so much more powerful, they early on dropped support for AND and OR and other boolean keywords which other search engines required to get good results. In fact one of google's early "hidden" successful features was using implicit AND not implicit OR, which had been the de-facto on other search engines, so searching for "gold plates" on other sear…

You certainly did have to learn to use google, you just don't remember it, or remember it selectively. I frequently come across people who ask questions which seem simple to google for, but when they try ask google, they do so incompetently and get bad answers or no answers, because they fundamentally don't get keywords, how other uses of words can override your intended meaning, or how to clarify by adding further phrases, or removing extraneous detail.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Why? To completely remove anything from your life that happens to have Google as a part of it would be so inconvenient. Gmail is objectively an amazing email app on both desktop browser and mobile. No search engine can come close to Google. Lots of great apps like Google Docs, Calendar, and Translate exist to make your life easier for free. Google Maps is kinda annoying with Uber ads but its navigation and UI is so n…

The website itself does a great job at explaining the "why"

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The major advantage DDG has is that it doesn't matter what it is behind the scenes. They can change whenever it suits them and the site will continue to act as an anonymizing front-end, complete with some useful extras.

So what you're saying is that instead of Bing they could be using Yandex, Baidu or Google?

In fact I think they do use Yandex as well as Bing, at least they did the last time I looked.

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Why? To completely remove anything from your life that happens to have Google as a part of it would be so inconvenient. Gmail is objectively an amazing email app on both desktop browser and mobile. No search engine can come close to Google. Lots of great apps like Google Docs, Calendar, and Translate exist to make your life easier for free. Google Maps is kinda annoying with Uber ads but its navigation and UI is so n…

Most of the submitted page is devoted to the answers to your question.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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The arguments feel disingenuous. A start-up is much less likely able to fight a subpoena for user data. A start-up is much more likely to disappear. The only real case I see is an argument against ads, though I don't see any disclaimer that the service will then need to be a paid service.

Disclaimer: I work at a big company. I also worked at a small start-up in the past.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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> These services track us everywhere, while claiming to give us a better “user experience”.

That's kind of the problem though; they usually _do_ offer a better user experience.

If we want users to start using open source software rather than walled garden solutions from large companies, we're going to have to start building open source solutions which offer a comparable user experience to proprietary ones from large companies; a difficult task to say the least.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Why? To completely remove anything from your life that happens to have Google as a part of it would be so inconvenient. Gmail is objectively an amazing email app on both desktop browser and mobile. No search engine can come close to Google. Lots of great apps like Google Docs, Calendar, and Translate exist to make your life easier for free. Google Maps is kinda annoying with Uber ads but its navigation and UI is so n…

There's uber ads on google maps? Is this a slow rollout or something? I haven't seen this, and it's not like I have adblocker on my phone.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Just talking about search alternative; DuckDuckGo is my default search engine for over 2 years. It's incredibly good, the only caveat is you need to re-learn how to search. The same way you "changed yourself" initially for google.

I switched at about the same time and now I'm hooked. Using the ! syntax to search any major site from my address bar is so damn useful I don't want to go back.

Re: De-Googleify Internet

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Why? To completely remove anything from your life that happens to have Google as a part of it would be so inconvenient. Gmail is objectively an amazing email app on both desktop browser and mobile. No search engine can come close to Google. Lots of great apps like Google Docs, Calendar, and Translate exist to make your life easier for free. Google Maps is kinda annoying with Uber ads but its navigation and UI is so n…

>> "Gmail is objectively an amazing email app on both desktop browser and mobile."

I was Mac Mail and Mail on iPhone with 2 Gmail accounts and 1 Exchange/Office365 account. Works great and much better than having to switch between accounts in a browser. I've also always found the Gmail app on iOS awful to use (Inbox is quite good though).

>> No search engine can come close to Google.

DuckDuckGo comes very close in my opinion.

>> Lots of great apps like Google Docs, Calendar, and Translate exist to make your life easier for free.

My Mac/iPhone also come with a free calendar that's much nicer to use. I pay for Word rather than use Google Docs as I find it much nicer to use a desktop app than a web app.

Also - they don't exist to make our lives easier. They exist to collect our information and make Google more money. >> Google Maps is kinda annoying

Agreed. UI has got worse of the years. I use Citymapper multiple times per day along with Apple Maps occasionally.

I still use Google services regularly but they certainly aren't the best at almost anything apart from search. They often come out on top because short term, they are free to the user. Long term maybe not so much.

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