Donald Trump Is Elected President • Hacker News Board

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by ohitsdom » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:38 PM UTC

CalChris wrote: post #24

TulliusCicero wrote: post #15

Terrifying, but the dems kind of brought it on themselves. A nominee who was actually likeable probably would've wiped the floor with Trump.

Again, Republicans did this. Don't blame this on Hillary (hint: she won the popular vote). Don't blame this on Democrats. Accept responsibility. As for likable, Hillary has been the most admired woman in America, 14 years straight. Trump ran the most negative fact free campaign ever to overcome her likability.

> Hillary has been the most admired woman in America, 14 years straight

Take a poll on Michelle Obama vs Hillary.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by tommy_wiseau » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

The valley need to get over themselves and learn to appreciate the lessons from the unlikely Trump victory.

Trump is the quintessential startup success story. Jump in the ring, breaks shit (always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission) then somehow makes his way to a hit product. He disrupted the business of politics much in the same way that uber disrupted the business of transportation.

Guess Peter Thiel really is the smartest guy in the valley after all.

Per Mark Cuban tweet (not a sv guy per se but still a voice representative of the community):

We all need to give President-Elect Trump a chance. Support the good. Lobby against what we disagree on. No one is bigger than us all

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by dang » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

yolesaber wrote: post #43

I'd argue you are clueless. Trump has been sued several times for the discrimination against black people, he fired black people from his casinos and moved them to the back, he INSISTS TO THIS DAY that the Central Park Five are guilty despite DNA evidence, he jokes and also brags about literally molesting women. People like you disgust me. Stop acting like his words and actions don't matter.

> People like you disgust me.

You can't comment like this on HN, regardless of how right you are and how strongly you feel. Personal attacks in particular are not ok.

Comments need to get more civil as the topic grows more contentious, or else our hope of substantive discussion goes up in flames.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12911145 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by _audakel » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

phreack wrote: post #27

As an outsider, it is painfully clear that I should not try to move my business to the US at this point. Europe's looking better than ever now for tech startups.

With the Brexit, many Euro companies near to defaulting and Russia moving troops to its western boarders, you really think Europe is a better place? USA has its fair share of problems, but I would not go so far as to say anywhere else is more ideal for startups (or living). yet.

As much bad emotions as their are going around this election, we don't kill buissness leaders who oppose us (russia) kill political leaders who dissagre us (n. korea), have civil wars taking the lives of thousands (many countries in africa), kill drug users in the streets (PH) or have mass civilaian graves from cartel wars (mexico)

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by komali2 » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

gthtjtkt wrote: post #248

huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> at the expense of talking about why she should be president. Hillary couldn't make that argument because it would've drawn more attention to her most damning flaw: The fact that she's a textbook demagogue who was on the wrong side of every progressive issue until she found it politically expedient to "evolve". That's why so many people were so passionate about Sanders. You could go back to C-SPAN videos from 1992 a…

There's that picture of him being arrested during civil rights protests.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by jernfrost » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

nohate wrote: post #111

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

How do you reconcile your desire to leave behind hate when you cast a vote for a candidate who's core positions were one of hate? If Trump does not continue a platform of hate, how would you not view that as a slap in the face as a supporter? He promised you hate, you said "Yes, I'll take one of those", and now say don't do that? You can not have it both ways, your vote is one for hate whether you bury your head in t…

Exactly give the man back what he has sown! He has catered to hatred and divisiveness. That is what he should get back.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by CalChris » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:39 PM UTC

40acres wrote: post #191

MrZongle2 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Or pen, in this case. I'm not excited about a Trump presidency. But from 2009-2011 Democrats held majorities in both the House and Senate. Then was the time to get the major work done, legislatively, that could not be undone by another Executive Order. That's on Obama.

Dems spent all their political capital during those days on ACA, and even that was a struggle to pass.

Lieberman comes to mind. Senate Democrats needed 60 votes to overcome Republican filibusters on anything. This meant Lieberman, the Senator from Hartford, had veto power over anything. Obama campaigned for his re-election and Lieberman campaigned for McCain.

That Lieberman.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by gwbas1c » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:40 PM UTC

mitchpron wrote: post #94

SolaceQuantum wrote: post #17

Now that the voices of the disenfranchised blue collar workers have been heard, what actually can be done to help them? I'm less worried about the accusations of racism, etc. because it appears to me a majority are voting because their livelihoods have been lost and, despite economics saying globalization will bring new jobs, they aren't showing up in the critical areas where they are needed. So, what policies can be…

Education. It's what Obama was emphasizing his entire presidency. Those jobs are never coming back, and even more are going to be automated. The education gap between rich and poor (and white and minority) is getting larger because of hoodlum-fearing mothers who support segregated neighborhoods and schools. Plus the poor-parent schools stay poor and the rich-parent schools stay rich. All of these factors together (wh…

I believe in education, but it's not a panacea. No amount of education will help someone who just isn't cut out for a white-collar job.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by tommy_wiseau » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:40 PM UTC

The valley need to get over themselves and learn to appreciate the lessons from the unlikely Trump victory.

Trump is the quintessential startup success story. Jump in the ring, breaks shit (always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission) then somehow makes his way to a hit product. He disrupted the business of politics much in the same way that uber disrupted the business of transportation.

Guess Peter Thiel really is the smartest guy in the valley after all.

Per Mark Cuban tweet (not a sv guy per se but still a voice representative of the community):

We all need to give President-Elect Trump a chance. Support the good. Lobby against what we disagree on. No one is bigger than us all

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by paulddraper » Wed, Nov 09, 2016, 4:40 PM UTC

oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #233

paulddraper wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So...now we have to start all over? I know I sound like a complete d--k, but my laptop from 2012 has eight cores that each run over 3 billion cycles a second. How do I get frustrated by sites not accepting HN's "hug of death". An now HN can't even stand its own hug... Anyway, thanks for getting things running again! You guys are awesome!

Clearly, it depends on the architecture used. From what dang says, it seems like HN renders every single page view dynamically if you are logged in. I guess that has something to do with the voting mechanism; I would have thought that could be handled client-side instead. Either way, it's not just down to the number of comments on a thread, as you imply, clearly the number of requests for that page plays a part. I'm…

> I would have thought that could be handled client-side instead

It could be, but that would add a JavaScript dependency that HN currently doesn't have.