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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Maybe you aren't a great engineer?

That's pretty insulting to suggest in any case and borders on a reprehensible attitude to take personally against someone.

The idea that not being "great" is insulting is more toxic than assuming someone isn't great. Lots of hero worship in this industry that fucks with people's egos - your statement being a prime example.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Since they're a project of the Linux Foundation, they most definitely don't have any sort of stock plan – since you can't have equity in nonprofits.

I don't want to put words in the parent commenter's mouth, but I think the implication was that they would need to make up for NOT having a stock plan.

Netflix level pay would seem about right to me.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #261

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That's pretty insulting to suggest in any case and borders on a reprehensible attitude to take personally against someone.

The idea that not being "great" is insulting is more toxic than assuming someone isn't great. Lots of hero worship in this industry that fucks with people's egos - your statement being a prime example.

He directly insulted me, clarify how in your thinking, this has anything to do with hero worship? Stating your views without falling back on the needless application of profanity is something I'd appreciate.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Fascinating. Everyone here is complaining that 2M for 8 employees seems steep, but I think this seems really cheap. Admittedly, I work at Google, but we bat around the number of 400-500k per employee when discussing them here. 250k/ in SV seems really reasonably priced in comparison.

Are you sure those figures are something your employer is okay with being shared here?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #261

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The idea that not being "great" is insulting is more toxic than assuming someone isn't great. Lots of hero worship in this industry that fucks with people's egos - your statement being a prime example.

He directly insulted me, clarify how in your thinking, this has anything to do with hero worship? Stating your views without falling back on the needless application of profanity is something I'd appreciate.

I'm pretty his/her intention was not to insult you. Since you won't even consider the possibility that you're not a great engineer, perhaps you're just bad at finding decent jobs and contracts? Or you're bad at negotiating pay? I'm honestly a little confused because my impression is that contractors and consultants make more money than full-time employees.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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As covered elsewhere, most of the team is remote. But they still get SV salaries because great people get those salaries no matter where they are.

that is ridiculous, do you have evidence to back that statement up?

lol not ridiculous at all

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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The services of Let's Encrypt, let alone the cause they stand for, is well worth a small recurring donation. I think this is totally reasonable to pledge even $2/mo.

If companies that uses Let's Encrypt would chip in just 1/10th of what they'd pay for certificate from for profit providers, then Let's Encrypt won't be in need of donation anytime soon.

ICANN could just fund the whole thing.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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As covered elsewhere, most of the team is remote. But they still get SV salaries because great people get those salaries no matter where they are.

It doesn't work that way for all the remote jobs and contracts I've worked.

Counterpoint: It did for me.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Can the business model be charging for the certificate directly, just cheaper than others? I'm fine with that.

I'm not. I test a lot of ideas but don't have much money. I have already to pay for hosting and DNS. SSL is optional. I'm very thankful to let's encrypt for the opportunity to use SSL on my sites. Also SSL (and the web) is a broken technology, I'm not going to pay for something broken.

there is nothing really that is free beer in the world, the money has to come somewhere, either some "rich" guys donate the fund, so the rest gets a free ride, or everybody pays a little, say, $5 per year, what's wrong with that? I'm not a rich guy per se, but I want to pay reasonable fee for what I got.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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If they provided an identical quality of service with 25 employees for $2m nobody would bat an eye. I'd say the fact that the team is so lean is justification for higher salaries in and of itself.

Could they provide a better service with 25 instead of 10 for $2m though?

Assuming the salary cost scales with the skill of the employee linearly and assuming that 25 people causes extra management overhead I would say no.
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