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Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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even easier (as weightlifters, powerlifters, bodybuilders all know): weight comes from your mouth, not from the gym abs are made in the kitchen 80% diet, 20% training

Abs are made in the kitchen, but as someone who went from 22% bodyfat to 11% they are pretty puny abs if you don't pair it with some pretty frequent exercise.

Abs are made in the gym and revealed in the kitchen.

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post #156

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even easier (as weightlifters, powerlifters, bodybuilders all know): weight comes from your mouth, not from the gym abs are made in the kitchen 80% diet, 20% training

Abs are made in the kitchen, but as someone who went from 22% bodyfat to 11% they are pretty puny abs if you don't pair it with some pretty frequent exercise.

Abs are made in the gym and revealed in the kitchen.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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I just got a new girlfriend who is vastly overweight. I forbid her to "diet" but she's still going to lose the weight, because we'll start lifting heavy weights together. The only thing she has to do is make sure she eats enough protein. She can eat whatever the fuck she wants. This is why this works. Here is what happens if you eat 10 donuts under scenario A (the author's) and scenario B (mine). So, the author's sce…

> Well, unless I'm hellbanned for going against fatlogic.

Could you not do that, please? I was with you up to that point. You don't need to be a dick about it.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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post #175

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> regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? If I had to choose between thermodynamics and medicine being wrong, and people not being able to accurately estimate how "much" they eat and how "little" they exercise, I'd bet all my money on the latter. The simple reality is, people have vastly different appetites. I eat fast and am always hungry. I have two coworkers, one eats qui…

I never understand the thermodynamics argument in terms of weight gain. Surely you acknowledge that some solar cells and mechanical engines are more efficient than others? Additionally, do you acknowledge that some drives are more irresistible than others? Can you hold your breath until you pass out? Is it so hard to imagine these drives might differ from person to person? I fully acknowledge that, irrespective of yo…

My point is exactly that it's drive that differs, not metabolism. For the latter, see e.g.:

https://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-peo...

Metabolic rate does vary, and technically there could be large variance. However, statistically speaking it is unlikely the variance would apply to you. The majority of the population exists in a range of 200-300kcal from each other and do not possess hugely different metabolic rates.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Don't forget to add your body weight. Lifting ~110kg 6 feet (4 times 1/2 meter) 25 times in about 3 minutes ~= 6 mintues @ 150W on a bike. Plus whatever lifting your body weight from a squat adds up to. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clean_and_jerk Start playing with the numbers and Weight lifters can get into crazy high energy diets. PS: Works out to around 110kg / ~.82 ~= 135kg max lift. At 230 lb the record is 246…

These are maximal efforts that are not sustainable for any period of time. Meanwhile, you can do 150W on a bike all day, just keep adding CHO.

if you want to maximize sustained burn you need to use more muscle groups. Being limited to how much oxegen you can supply to your legs is a major limitation.

Rowing is a good example of this, but as 110kg is easily twice the power output of biking you can drop down to 50% max lift range and be limited by oxigen not mussel damage.

Or put another way top weightlifter need to eat significantly more than top bikers who top out at around 8k cal per day.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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post #252

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Grand parent's comment was about feeling ravenous during swimming, not just "hungry." Diet is not as simple as eating less food, since you are eating less, you need to make an extra effort to ensure your body is still getting what it needs.

I've heard people say "I'm famished!" and I don't for a second think that they've been through a literal famine and are starving to death. Maybe GP used "ravenous" literally, or maybe it's just a figure of speech to indicate having built up a good appetite.

I've totally had points where my work out crashed because my body was out of something. It could be water, protein, or even sugar or salt. There is a huge difference between "hungry" and body is shaking, weak feeling.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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I've found online reaction to this article quite interesting. Normally data and study minded folks bring out the "anecdotally, this doesn't seem true" responses, and people seem think the article is attacking exercise as a concept. It's not. It's saying that if a person's goal is to lose weight, then adjusting to a good diet is far more important than (a reasonable amount of) exercise. The article does not claim that…

I'm going to continue to posit that weight is a factor of genetics / epigenetics and / or body function first and foremost. Why is it that some people, regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? That, to me, is the elephant in the room. What is going on in these peoples bodies that is kept out of popular science with regard to weight loss? We know that thyroid hormone function…

> Why is it that some people, regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? That, to me, is the elephant in the room.

I disagree that qualifies as an elephant. Some of those people could have some sort of known genetic defect that makes them unable to properly digest food. Some of them do not eat as much as you think that they eat. For instance, I had plenty of snacks yesterday at a neighbor's house. They were 1 peanut and two pieces of a jerky-like thing the size of my fingernail. Without that additional information, you would have thought that I ate far more.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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post #175

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> regardless of how much they eat and how little they exercise, never put on weight? If I had to choose between thermodynamics and medicine being wrong, and people not being able to accurately estimate how "much" they eat and how "little" they exercise, I'd bet all my money on the latter. The simple reality is, people have vastly different appetites. I eat fast and am always hungry. I have two coworkers, one eats qui…

Your body is not a bomb calorimeter. If you're looking to thermodynamics to explain weight loss or gain you'll be disappointed.

Are you suggesting that lowering daily caloric intake to 0 would not result in weight loss? Why bother eating then?

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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not saying that these people don't exist, I've just never seen a controlled study to investigate whether they really can eat more and not gain weight. anecdotally I know these people as well, I just don't trust anecdotal evidence.

This is purely anecdotal... I'm now almost 40 years old and have never been overweight a day in my life. Over the past 20 years my weight has always stayed within about a 15 pound range no matter how much/little I ate and/or exercised. I participated in a caloric intake study at one point in time and I had a higher caloric intake than anyone in the study group. I was not trying to eat more; it was just that until I h…

Try reproducing the "supersize me" documentary results. If you cannot reproduce the results, then there is something strange in your genetics.
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