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Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

HappyTypist wrote: post #250
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #180

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This works, but then if you have a job with free soda...discipline is still needed.

I like water more than soda. If you'd like some flavour then try squeezing a few drop of lemon juice

Addiction doesn't really work like that. Surely water is better for you, and also "feels" better after a good work out. But put coke in front of people who are semi-addicted to it, they will choose coke.

BTW, almost all water served at restaurants in China is lemon flavored. The best halfway point I've seen is flavored soda water. Fizzy, slightly flavored, gives you some of the feeling of pop without the sugar. Still, put coke in the same fridge, and it requires some willpower to take the flavored soda water.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by biot »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #198
ethanbond wrote: post #183

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That's no more of an eating disorder than the inverse: not having the mental power to acknowledge and respond to it appropriately. Anyways, parent comment didn't say to starve yourself. It said to learn to be okay with being a bit hungry. Instead of learning to be okay with the feeling of hunger, people learn to be okay with the equally unpleasant feeling of being stuffed.

Grand parent's comment was about feeling ravenous during swimming, not just "hungry." Diet is not as simple as eating less food, since you are eating less, you need to make an extra effort to ensure your body is still getting what it needs.

I've heard people say "I'm famished!" and I don't for a second think that they've been through a literal famine and are starving to death. Maybe GP used "ravenous" literally, or maybe it's just a figure of speech to indicate having built up a good appetite.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by boulos »

Anytime this comes up in conversation, I enjoy pointing people to John Walker's Hacker's Diet (https://www.fourmilab.ch/hackdiet/). I enjoy the bits of Autodesk trivia he tossed in as well (he was a co-founder and wrote much of AutoCAD, as he then thinks "So if I can do that, why can't I learn to lose weight?").

The most accurate critique of any of these "calories in minus calories out" arguments is that those vary from person to person and from food to food. So if you do have a particularly hard time losing (or gaining!) weight, it might be a bit of genetic variation.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by jack9 »

Aelinsaar wrote: post #246
thedz wrote: post #114

I've found online reaction to this article quite interesting. Normally data and study minded folks bring out the "anecdotally, this doesn't seem true" responses, and people seem think the article is attacking exercise as a concept. It's not. It's saying that if a person's goal is to lose weight, then adjusting to a good diet is far more important than (a reasonable amount of) exercise. The article does not claim that…

The issue sadly, is that a lot of people online just respond to the headline, not the content of the article.

That doesnt make it "the issue".

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by y4mi »

Joof wrote: post #239
vacri wrote: post #225

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> Drink water every 10m in the pool That means you'd need 5 drinks to complete just one length of an olympic-size swimming pool! :)

You can drink as you go so it's no problem.

there are people that actually drink that water in public pools?

eww

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by jdminhbg »

jtuente wrote: post #49
dualogy wrote: post #19

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> It you a eat a lot of fat you will get fat too. Its all about moderation. If you eat 4000 calories of FAT everyday you will get fat Calories-in-calories-out without considering the hormones that drive both satiety and crucially fat-storage-vs-fat-mobilization (and thus drive both how many calories are craved and how many are burned) is misguided. CICO isn't wrong, but for all practical purposes what drives CICO in…

> Calories-in-calories-out without considering the hormones Your argument here boils down to: CICO is easier with a balanced diet. I don't think a reasonable person is going to argue against that. > after a few weeks of keto-adaptation? They'd be a tad little bit fatter than they'd like Honestly, if they could stomach it, they'd balloon up just as much as its opposite. Keto-adaptation doesn't change how your body pro…

> I don't think a reasonable person is going to argue against that.

You'd be surprised.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by jdminhbg »

CryoLogic wrote: post #206

The title to this article is very manipulative and misleading. Weight loss seems to be a mysterious science to the everyday man and woman, but is well known by most top athletes and has been for many years. It is simple chemistry. The calories you eat are stored in fat, which is comprised of O, H and C. Roughly ~3500 calories will become one pound of bodyfat. By this logic, yes you can eat less calories and lose weig…

> It is simple chemistry. The calories you eat are stored in fat

This is where you made a huge, unsupported-by-science leap.

Re: Why you shouldn't exercise to lose weight

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

y4mi wrote: post #256
Joof wrote: post #239

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You can drink as you go so it's no problem.

there are people that actually drink that water in public pools? eww

Don't worry, any germs or other organic nastiness are completely neutralized by the vast quantities of chlorine, which is what you should actually be going "eww" about.

(I once drank a mouthful of pool water as a kid and got a really awful headache shortly thereafter. I suppose I'm lucky that's all I got.)

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