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What can a technologist do about climate change?

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Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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I'll probably get downvoted but I'm honestly interested in some thoughts on my dumb thinking.

This is an amazing presentation and I've loved Bret Victor's other presentations but, and I'm making an assumption here, I kind of assume he's rich or at least financially independent given where he's worked and when he worked there. Assuming I'm right I find it a little hard to listen to the advice which sometimes sounds like "Consider saving the planet but with a high possibility of a financially challenged life. I've already made my money so I'm free to give you this advice in comfort and security".

Of course that doesn't mean you can't get rich following one of these solutions. It also doesn't mean that money = happiness or anything like that. It's only this nagging feeling that the reader is being asked to sacrifice something the author themselves has not and that the author has forgotten where they are in their lives relative to most of the people they are asking.

If I knew all my financial needs (health care, retirement, family) were already well met I'd have less trouble dedicating my time to worthy causes like say Bill Gates apparently is. But, I'm not there yet. I do have to worry how I will retire, how much I'll need to spent on healthcare as I age, etc... Sure I can still make the decision to chase financial independence or chase worthy causes but it's just, I guess maybe the word is frustrating, to be asked to make that choice but someone who I assume doesn't need to choose. They've already achieved financial Independence and therefore the choice is far easier. (maybe one more reason for basic income).

I'm also aware it sounds stupid to even bring this topic up. There's all kinds of ways to frame this and ignore the part of it I just mentioned. But, for whatever reason I can't ignore it. I guess because I've seen my father too old to get an engineering job he's qualified for and too poor to retire.

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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Ironically all that system is not designed to find the truth. It is designed to find more funding to support itself. I know that, because I did that myself. A single set of glacial cores from Greenland tells you more that all that satellite BS. If you remotely closely familiar with principles of climatic modelling, you 'd be rotfl, looking at someone trying to validate or backtrace that models. Because you'd be famil…

Yeah, your assertion doesn't seem to be validated at all. Not only do Jason Box's reconstructions refute that, but the reality is that with the current temperatures we have in Greenland the level of glacial melt is unprecedented. If not, mind explaining to us how exactly, if average temperatures have been higher in Greenland, then it hasn't experienced the melt it's going through right now? https://www.skepticalscien…

It is evident from the observations of Sohn et al. (2008) & Reves-Sohn et al. (2008) that the Northwest Passage was opened up by powerful volcanic activity under the Arctic Ice along the Gakkel Ridge, while West Antarctic melting (as opposed to thickening of ice throughout the rest of Antarctica) can be explained by recent volcanic activity beneath the ice (Corr & Vaughan, 2008). Moreover, there are simply too many volcanoes to deny that the atmospheric concentration of the most erupted gas next to water is predominantly controlled by the balance or lack thereof between volcanic activity and photosynthesis. Furthermore, there is simply no established volcanic CO2 fingerprint by which we may distinguish atmospheric proportions of anthropogenic and volcanogenic contributions. This leaves us with no empirical method by which we may attribute the 20th century rise in CO2 to human energy consumption.

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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There is absolutely, positively nothing wrong with making "lots" of money in a conventional manner, and donating it to an effective charity taking on the target task. In fact, in the spirit of the Kantian imperative, if everybody actually dropped their "merely productive" jobs and then tried to "directly solve poverty", we'd have just made the poverty problem much, much worse! You may want to Google the term "effecti…

There's quite a bit wrong with this model - most of all, it starts from the assumption that the lack of capital is the main limiting factor. World hunger is not a resource problem, it is a distribution and ideology problem.

Here is a detailed report about the room for more funding in several standout charities:

http://blog.givewell.org/2015/11/18/our-updated-top-charitie...

They are all significantly under funded.

The best of them distributes long lasting insecticide treated nets which protect against malaria.

Below is an estimate (via google doc) that pegs the cost per life saved via nets at around $2,800. The estimate only considers the nets' mortality effect on children under 5 years old.

http://files.givewell.org/files/DWDA%202009/Interventions/Gi...

And below is more general information on this charity:

http://www.givewell.org/international/top-charities/AMF

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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Look, data for individual eruptions: Year Volcano Mean Sulphurous Output Source Est. Carbon output during year(s) of eruption 1883AD Krakatoa 38 MtSO2pa Shinohara (2008) 26.14 MtCpa 1815AD Tambora 70 MtSO2pa Shinohara (2008) 48.16 MtCpa 1783AD Laki 130 MtSO2pa Shinohara (2008) 89.44 MtCpa 1600AD Huaynaputina 48 MtSO2pa Shinohara (2008) 33.02 MtCpa 1452AD Kuwae 150 MtH2SO4pa Witter & Self (2007) 67.40 MtCpa 934AD Eldj…

You really need to qualify what those units are. But also, again, if what what you were saying were true, why does it not show up in the atmospheric CO2 record?

Read this too. http://deforestation.geologist-1011.net

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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I'd think there are better sources for reading about climate change than an author one who must admit "I didn’t mention nuclear because I don’t know much about it."

Get lost. You're using a textbook ad hominem argument, while the author you're talking about has boatloads of evidence and put a lot of work into this page, and you think it's bad thing that he's humble enough to admit that he was a lack of knowledge on one particular topic? That just boggles my mind.

> Get lost.

Please don't do this on HN. Comments here need to be civil.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

https://news.ycombinator.com/newswelcome.html

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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Nuclear generates a lot of controversy. On paper it looks great; in practice there it turns out to be very expensive or have nasty problems buried in the details. For example, molten salt reactors have corrosion and reprocessing problems. I don't blame the author for refusing to take a position on nuclear.

The Oak Ridge molten salt reactor lasted four years without serious corrosion. Terrestrial Energy and Thorcon are working on systems with sealed reactor cans that get replaced in similar timeframes. Reprocessing isn't a necessity; it extends fuel supplies but even Terrestrial Energy's simple burner design without reprocessing is six times as fuel-efficient as conventional reactors. Running on thorium is more complica…

Reprocessing isn't a necessity

What do you do with the spent fuel salt mix then?

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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At the bottom of the page, Bret says "at least for the next century, the “problem” of climate change will not be “solved” — it can only be “managed”. This is a long game. One more reason to be thinking about tools, infrastructure, and foundations. The next generation has some hard work ahead of them."

I view this as a very short term problem (i.e. the artificial effect on the planet through our own doing.) And I'm not saying that it isn't a problem and that we shouldn't be doing anything. The planet naturally goes through warm and cool times. There's little we can do to mitigate that, we'll experience another ice age eventually.

Climate change isn't a problem for the planet; it's a problem for the people living on it.

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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post #266

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The Oak Ridge molten salt reactor lasted four years without serious corrosion. Terrestrial Energy and Thorcon are working on systems with sealed reactor cans that get replaced in similar timeframes. Reprocessing isn't a necessity; it extends fuel supplies but even Terrestrial Energy's simple burner design without reprocessing is six times as fuel-efficient as conventional reactors. Running on thorium is more complica…

Reprocessing isn't a necessity What do you do with the spent fuel salt mix then?

I'm not sure whether the "no reprocessing" plan would leave the fluorides and whatnot in the waste. It seems like it'd be relatively simple to separate that just to reduce the waste volume, after letting it cool for several years. I was referring to recycling the spent fuel into the reactor.

From Terrestrial Energy's page on waste:

- The IMSR burns its fuel far more efficiently than conventional reactors and leaves only one-sixth of the plutonium waste per unit of energy

- The IMSR creates power far more efficiently than conventional reactors and leaves one-third less fission product waste per kWh of electricity

- With the addition of IMSR waste fuel recycling, the IMSR can consume all its fuel and leave no plutonium waste

- Recycling liquid fuel waste is technically and economically far more viable than recycling of the solid fuel waste of conventional reactors.

http://terrestrialenergy.com/waste/

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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I work on climate software at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory[1]. My team works with big data and visualization. We support ACME[2] (the Department of Energy's climate modeling program), PCMDI[3] (a team that's been evaluating climate models since 1989), and a number of other projects and groups. If you are interested in what you can do for the climate, we need all the help we can get. Our code may not be the…

"Anticipated Clearance Level: Q (Position will be cleared to this level)." ... why would someone working on climate modeling software need a clearance for nuclear weapon design information?

US citizenship required. And: 'If you hold multiple citizenships (U.S. and another country), you may be required to renounce your non-U.S. citizenship before a DOE L or Q clearance will be processed/granted.'

Re: What can a technologist do about climate change?

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It show a 404. BTW this is open for remote work? devs outside USA?

Nope, no remote work. We hire foreign nationals and will facilitate immigration processing, but it tends to only be for truly exceptional people (though the bar is a lot lower in my group than most).

It appears from the application page that it's US citizens only. Since you work there, can you clarify after looking?
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