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Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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Kindergardens tend to host male children and the children of male people. That there has so far not been a female president of the US also demonstrates the sexism you're denying.

You do realize it takes a man and a woman to make a child, yes? That means all children are children of "male people" -otherwise known as Men.

That was broadly speaking my point, yeah.

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let's ask the peope receiving death threats to sit down with their abusers and find a compromise" truth-is-in-the-middle thing. Except I never said that. I never insinuated that, if you think that's the case, then it appears you're trying to force your interpretations into my statements, and that's not cool. Instead, what I've asserted repeatedly is this: 1) Sexism in gaming, tech and other industries needs to be add…

I still think 2) is one hell of a false equivalency, ymmv.

Please break it down for me? I'm clearly not seeing it (we often fail to see the failings in ourselves, it's just human), I for my part tried to clarify my stance; repeating "false equivalency" doesn't help me understand your response any better.

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The OP said "Mark my words, one day a mass shooting will occur, someone will pull out their concealed carry, and a second concealed carry person will come around the corner and shoot the first (or the police will)." That's fear mongering. It's an event that hasn't occurred, but is meant to drive fear into the witless. All you've proven is that innocent people get caught in the crossfire on occasions. Who's to say the…

> And quite frankly, the only person responsible for that death is the armed robber. You don't think the person that actually shot the teller is the least bit responsible? Most armed robberies result in no deaths. This one resulted in one, and likely resulted in that one BECAUSE some idiot with a hero complex started shooting. It is very likely had that person not been there the robbers would have got away with the m…

No I don't think so, not one bit. I don't think we'll be able to sway eachother's opinions but thanks for the interesting convo :)

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The 'Women as Background Part 2' video was very well-made, and utterly disturbing. I've seen terrible videos and images - it is the Internet afterall- but it was painful to watch. There's a number of games on there that I no longer care to revisit, or even play for the first time. (Also, what were the makers of God of War 3 thinking? Staggers the mind.)

Your comment provoked me to go and watch that video, and watching it clarified this whole issue for me. As someone who's done a reasonable amount of undergraduate-level film and literature analysis, I felt that the video fell quite nicely in line with that style of presentation, and it's clear that Ms. Sarkeesian has a strong background in that area. If this were for an assignment, she would've gotten a perfect score…

> They misinterpret this as a video series on "games that fail women and are therefore terrible", when she's just doing a series on "games that have these tropes."

Except that I don't think she's even doing that. She seems to take pains to avoid implicating any single game, and including so many references actually serves to blunt the criticism of each individual example. Instead, the message seems to be that the conventions of storytelling in interactive media have some deep, fundamental flaws. The entire medium, therefore, must change dramatically for these flaws to be addressed.

I can understand a reaction of "I like my games just like they are, thankyouverymuch" (though such a response obviously does not justify the behavior Ms. Sarkeesian has been subjected to). Speaking for myself, though, I enjoy games in spite of, not because of, these tropes, and I can't imagine that removing them would do anything other than make future games more enjoyable.

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I was not trying to state any of the scenarios I presented as facts. Please do not be disgusted by so little.

>I was not trying to state any of the scenarios I presented as facts. Oh, I'm sorry. I must have gotten confused when you said "Notice I did not accuse her of anything, simply stating two facts."; I took that to mean that you were simply stating two facts, and in fact you were trying to say literally the exact opposite of what you said. You should maybe work on saying things which are not one hundred percent false.

OK, so buy me a beer I will explain in person. Much simpler. I stand by my original comment, but this was never meant to be 'backed up' by any facts. Somewhere along this thread people are talking about conceal carry weapons, this is off topic. At least my comment had the merit of considering the topic at hand with a hypothetical scenario that got waaaay to much attention. I am always surprised by some reactions on HN, it makes for interesting discussions.

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I disagree. Her videos have been shown to cherry pick. She is also a liar and has no interest in video gaming. This has been shown in older videos of herself. Its a money making scam.

How is it a scam? People gave her money to post videos about video games, she is posting videos about video games. Are you saying she's not enthusiastic enough about the video games she's calling out to deserve the money people decided to pay her?

He's obviously using the colloquial definition of the word "scam", namely "a completely legal and ethical enterprise with a business model that I, personally, disapprove of".

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I do not know of any evidence, nor do I wish to investigate if there is any with regards to the 'manufactured' hypothesis. Reading the article, I had a flash of an interesting twist of events (as improbable as it is). This whole debate is not even about her, but how some people could use this scenario to manipulate the public's attention and polarize the discussion. I like considering things from different angles, wh…

Considering things from different angles is a useful thing to do, and may well be what Hacker News is about. Considering things from useless angles that have no bearing on the discussion doesn't contribute to anything and only serves to confuse the issue at hand. What is the benefit of discussing an arbitrary hypothetical that's so radical and unsupportable that even the individual who proposes it immediately backs o…

Yes, I have that poster with Che Guevara as a Reptlian Illuminati from another dimension. :-)

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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I prefer the model where nobody has guns, including the police. Maybe specialist armed units, but your average street cop shouldn't have a firearm: they aren't well trained enough. It is a proven model. It works. Plus even if you argue "people can just use knives instead," it still stops mass shootings.

Great. Then the relatively physically weak, the infirm, the elderly, the women , will be at the mercy of the strong. A short look at mass shootings in Western Europe in the lat few decades, which are both more numerous and more deadly, suggests that intermediate restrictions won't do any good at best. History prior to that tells what government can easily do to disarmed untermensch . I'll take an occasional mass shoo…

shout out to your casual misogyny:

> Great. Then the relatively physically weak, the infirm, the elderly, the women, will be at the mercy of the strong

as if women are somehow magically incapable defending themselves.

Re: Feminist video-games talk pulled after massacre threat

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I still think 2) is one hell of a false equivalency, ymmv.

Please break it down for me? I'm clearly not seeing it (we often fail to see the failings in ourselves, it's just human), I for my part tried to clarify my stance; repeating "false equivalency" doesn't help me understand your response any better.

As far as I can tell, there's the gamergate people organizing the harassment of people, posting their victims' private addresses, sending them death threats and all kinds of abuse, bullying people into withdrawing from their online identities, all under a propaganda screen of fabricated pretenses and smear campaigns.

Then there's the "feminist" crowd which wants that sort of thing to not happen, and also talk about videogames.

Your way of putting it implies that these two are equivalent in being "unfortunate and problematic", which in my opinion is a severe misrepresentation of the situation.

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