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Re: Suicidal Software Developer

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No. No I'm not. If anything your hostility is indicative why it is so beneficial that we now have these virtual forums where we can exchange ideas on these topics in a non-confrontational manner. Nothing is gained through hostility. Let's be clear. I do have an agenda. But you also have an agenda. Your approach is only going to make my resolve firmer not weaken it. Maybe, I don't know, think through what you're tryin…

It's because I'm ok with being blunt about my opinion. There can be no mistake about how I perceived your pushing an agenda in a thread involving someone's severe depression. You on the other hand, are simply passive aggressive. The hope is that the people you're responding to will read it and realize they're not alone when being attacked (yes, asking loaded questions can be an attack). There is a time and place for…

The thing is. At some point in this conversation I'm going to have to ask myself what I did to make this person call me an asshole, to call me passive aggressive, to claim I attacked someone, and to heap shame on me.

The conclusion I'm going to come to is that you feel threatened by something I've said. Given that we're talking about belief in God and religious commitments here I'm going to have to conclude that you believe in God and potentially identify with one of the world's religions.

And I stepped on your feelings.

Am I right?

Re: Suicidal Software Developer

#253
Dear yla92,

Apart from being in London, you could be telling my story. I am a 43 year web developer, I have suffered from major depression for most of my life and I have often thought about killing myself. For far too many years, I was utterly miserable and assumed that I was just sad the way some people are blonde and some people are tall; it was just part of who I was and could not be changed. It took a long time for me to realise and accept that I was not inherently fucked but that I was suffering from a condition that distorted my perceptions of myself and that made me want to kill myself. Part of what made it hard for me to seek help was that I did not think I deserved it. We were well off when I was growing up (both my parents are doctors), I have all my limbs, I am white, straight and male and not subject to persecution on grounds of race, gender or sexuality, I do not suffer from a physical condition or disease. I felt that I did not have a right to help because of the advantages I had had growing up and what right did I have to feel like crap when I objectively had it so good? I mention this because you mention your opportunities in life. This does not invalidate what you feel in the slightest. I think that talking to someone -- Samaritans or someone else -- is crucial. I wish I had sought help earlier than I did. I would have wasted so much less time. It took me a couple of tries to find a therapist who worked for me but it has helped no end.

How do you break it to your boss and colleagues? Who says you have to? If you had cancer, kidney failure or one of any number of physical conditions that required time off work for treatment, would you be required to tell your co-workers about it or would be a matter of utter confidentiality? Would your reputation be marred if you needed to take time off for dialysis? I am well aware of the stigma around mental health and depression but that should not be a barrier to getting help. It is possible to get help and still be respected by those around you. (http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/West_Australian_Premier_Geoff_Ga...). If there are people at work who you can confide in, I would suggest reaching out to them. If you can afford to take time off, I would suggest considering it.

Know that you are not alone. As you suggested, there does seem to be a correlation between developers and depression. We are many. This sounds like a truly dark time for you. It will get better. Don't do anything permanent to fix what is a transient situation. Kia kaha, brother. Stand strong.

Re: Suicidal Software Developer

#254

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"drugs" ....hmmm... I assume you haven't done your homework about Ayahuasca. Shamans in south-america call it "the medicine", and the Ayahuasca ceremony is a very serious one. You can search for studies and stories (all over the internet), the reported results are usually far more helpful than any other traditional treatment. We use "drugs" every day, it is just a matter of using the right one for the right reason.

Sure, I know all that. It's a ceremony, and there are shamans. And it's a hallucinogenic drug. There are people who claim it's helpful; there are people who say the same about meth.

hehe, ok ok, now you are comparing meth with DMT, awesome, LOL

Re: Suicidal Software Developer

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Nursie, thanks for the support. I've gone and registered at the GP and hopefully going to get a call to arrange to see a therapist soon. It wasn't easy. Thankfully I'm under 30 so wouldn't get kicked out of Australia after 3 months (why that restriction is in place seems ludicrous). I've considered travelling but worry that presently that would be escaping my issues. When the time is right though the east coast of Au…

Sometimes when you escape somewhere for a while your issues seem a lot smaller from over there :) Either way, good luck with it all, hope you find a way to happiness!

I cannot stress this enough. The relief of a week off really helped me last year. When I came back I literally felt that "lead weight" another commenter mentioned. I thought it was that Atlanta is different than Fort Lauderdale but it was more likely depression kicking in again. I felt like a different person on that trip and even if I have to say "I remember x years ago..." That break really helped put things into proper focus. The fight then becomes make that one week the rest of my life. If i can do one week I can do two or fifty-two.

I've become a fan of small victories as of late because I'm a bit of a perfectionist. There will never be a "right" way/place/time to deal with this. I have to find relief however it'll come and the smallest steps I can make if it comes to that.

Re: Suicidal Software Developer

#256

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By definition you can't learn about religion either because the only thing required for religion is to believe in it. You are misunderstanding his point because it infringes upon how you self-identify. Perspective is weird like that sometimes.

No, he's deliberately misreading me in order to feel that his self-identification is infringed upon. According to him, if a Christian believes in God, and then reads about Christianity to learn about Christianity, said Christian is not a Christian because they're "learning about Christianity". The sheer quantity of stupid required to believe this has disinterested me in continuing any conversation.

I agree with you, the point of my post was to try and get him to see the ridiculousness of it by simply reversing it.

Re: Suicidal Software Developer

#257

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It's because I'm ok with being blunt about my opinion. There can be no mistake about how I perceived your pushing an agenda in a thread involving someone's severe depression. You on the other hand, are simply passive aggressive. The hope is that the people you're responding to will read it and realize they're not alone when being attacked (yes, asking loaded questions can be an attack). There is a time and place for…

The thing is. At some point in this conversation I'm going to have to ask myself what I did to make this person call me an asshole, to call me passive aggressive, to claim I attacked someone, and to heap shame on me. The conclusion I'm going to come to is that you feel threatened by something I've said. Given that we're talking about belief in God and religious commitments here I'm going to have to conclude that you…

Are you implying that non-theists don't have the capacity to experience empathy towards another human being such that they feel it's inappropriate to attack attack their religion in a roundabout manner in a thread in which they're asking for help from other humans?

I just want to make sure that's how you feel, because it appears as if you've concluded I must be theist based solely on my empathy towards the OP.

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