Even Reuters can not hide this anymore. After years of genocide, UN remembers it, it is something. Now let's see what will be the punishment of this genocide, this is not the first report.
Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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#252Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so.
Does Hamas try to maximize civilian casualties with martyrdom? By meshing its combattants with civilians? Yes.
The Geneva convention, unfortunately, allows collateral to a certain extent.
Hamas also executed gazans several times.
Israel does have a very aggressive strategy, but labeling it a genocide doesn't help the Palestinian cause.
Words matter.
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Well, given that between 2015 and 2024 alone, the General Assembly adopted 154 resolutions against Israel. That's more than Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Russia, China *combined*, I find it a bit ... unfair, wouldn't you say?
More than 14,500 children were killed by Israel in that period. 14,500 / 154 = more than 94 children per resolution. Seems fair. How many children did "Iran, North Korea, Sudan, Russia, China combined " kill in this period, I hear you whatabout: Highest reasonable estimates are ~5,000–10,000 children. ... So, no. I don't think it's unfair. Now let's compare how many sanctions have been inflicted on each country above…
Again, children got killed because their school was used as a ground base to fire rockets from. Do you expect Israelis to allow Hamas rockets to fall in Israeli schools? That's not a reasonable expectation.
The choice hamas forces israel to make is cruel and inhuman, that is direct consequence of their radical islamic belief of martirdom. They do not see death like the same way as the west. To them (and I'm not talking about all palestinians, for sure, only Hamas senior leadership which governs Gaza) dead children is a weapon against Israel. In light of this, all their actions finally make sense:
1. No civil defenses, or shelters - just tunnels. 2. Firing from schools and hospitals, as well as hiding weapons and ammo in those places. 3. Arming and sending children to fight
That's the most reasonable explanation (which many palestinian extremists have even voiced themselves)
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Imagine a parent introducing some special rules to protect a kid that’s being punched, like having them sit at the front, and the bullies start crying why they can’t sit in the front.
The Israeli occupation of Palestine is nothing like a teacher sitting some kids at the front.
You choosing to zoom in and crop the picture shows a level of disingenuity likely due to ulterior bias.
The area under control of the PA is ethnically cleansed from Jews, with an ongoing apartheid where, for example, selling property to Jews is punishable by death, and they have government issued bounties for the killing of Jews.
So Israel has restricted marriage visas from that location. The law still applies to every Israeli equally - Jews also cannot bring in people from that area on a marriage visa.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#255There's only one honorable response, and it couldn't be simpler: A complete and immediate arms and dual-use technology embargo of Israel, combined with more general sanctions. South Africa should be the model: Just ostracize them as much as possible. Say what you will about Russia, but Israel can never be self-sufficient, and China (justifiably) appears to despise them, so sanctions and embargoes would be substantial…
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I'd argue that Israel is, in fact, behaving worse than South Africa ever did. Apartheid-era South African government was a nightmare, but didn't engage in mass murder (or, uh, "collateral damage") on an Israeli scale. Actually a few orders of magnitude separate them.
That slaughter is worse than discrimination should be obvious. If you discriminate against somebody you harm their dignity and you narrow their future possibilities; if you murder somebody you rob them of everything, including their dignity and every possible future.
I'd also argue, and I think that this should be perfectly self-evident, that however a group may have suffered in the past, it does not give them a moral right to impose suffering on others in the present. No such moral right can possibly exist.
Isn't "whoever saves one life saves the world entire" supposed to be a Jewish moral teaching? How can this be reconciled with a profound indifference to civilian casualties in captive populations?
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Its a good strategy for anti western powers to fracture the left and drive up extremism and destabilization.
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Hopefully Israel will have lost American support in a generation or so, who cares what happens to them after that.
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> they can then just go and progrom all the Jews in Israel
If that's really Iran's intent, how do you explain that ~10,000 Jews live peacefully in Iran?
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Israeli occupation of Palestine is nothing like a teacher sitting some kids at the front.
You choosing to zoom in and crop the picture shows a level of disingenuity likely due to ulterior bias. The area under control of the PA is ethnically cleansed from Jews, with an ongoing apartheid where, for example, selling property to Jews is punishable by death, and they have government issued bounties for the killing of Jews. So Israel has restricted marriage visas from that location. The law still applies to eve…
Banning the eating of fish on Fridays discriminates against Catholics, even if the ban applies to everyone.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
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> Basically what russians are trying in Ukraine. Not sure it's the same thing. Russians want political and territorial control in Ukraine, not expelling Ukrainians to resettle the place with "ethnic Russians". Israel wants to conquer the whole of Palestine (West Bank, Gaza, Jerusalem) to replace the native population with its own. There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewi…
> There is no possible equal integration of Palestinians or their descendants into a Jewish state, not in a thousand years, and by design. About 20% of Israeli citizens are Arab so Palestinian integration into a state with a Jewish majority can work to a degree. The issue is that if the demographics were flipped it would be unlikely to work(i.e. basically all of Jewish history in Muslim majority countries).
The Jewish majority is not an issue. The issue is that Israel is not "the state of the Israelis", it's the Jewish state. You can become an Israeli, you cannot become part of the ethno-religious group that the state is meant to represent. Not you and not any of your descendants, ever.
> The issue is that if the demographics were flipped it would be unlikely to work
This is a classic of Israeli propaganda: justifying an actual wrong (discrimination, apartheid, occupation, murder, you name it) with the allegation that a worse wrong would be committed by the other side. In other words, justifying actual crimes with imagined ones.
> basically all of Jewish history in Muslim majority countries
Jewish history in Muslim majority countries hasn't been worse than history in European and Christian countries. In many cases it was actually better. The Holocaust was perpetrated by Europeans, not by Muslims.
Re: Israel targeted Gaza children resulting in genocide, UN inquiry says
#260Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so. Does Hamas try to maximize civilian casualties with martyrdom? By meshing its combattants with civilians? Yes. The Geneva convention, unfortunately, allows collateral to a certain extent. Hamas also executed gazans several times. Israel does have a very aggressive strategy, but labeling it a genocide doesn't help the Palestinian cause. Words matter.
> Does Israel has the intent of genocide? I don't think so.
Just curious: is there a (hypothetical) red line that Israel would have to cross for you to be convinced? If not, you're biased.