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Post by brewdad »

msdz wrote: post #200
locknitpicker wrote: post #144

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> (...) your anonymized chats, they will be public as paid training data. If they are PII then under GDPR they are obligated to delete the data. If not then they will be liable to pay fines up to $20 million or 4% of their total global turnover.

You forgot about the best part, in terms of the “GDPR threat” effectiveness: Fines can be up to €20 million or 4% of global revenues…, _whichever is greater._

“Up to” is doing a lot of work here. I’d imagine few companies ever pay anything close to the maximum possible fine.

Just like my state law says simple littering can be punished by up to a $6500 fine. Most people get a warning or maybe pay a fine of under $100.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

mopsi wrote: post #189
smrq wrote: post #118

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This really seems like the exception that proves the rule, given how few Facebooks came out of that era. We had a social contract, but it turned out that being sociopathic is a winning strategy when everyone else is playing by the implicit rules. See also: modern politics.

Indeed. The 2004 chat snippet is notable because it displayed attitude that was uncommon at the time. Zuck made it mainstream.

Wasn't Google's business model to slurp up literally everything on the web, and everything users would give them to sell eyeballs to advertisers?

Gmail also dates to 2004. If reading your email to sell ads to third parties based on the content of your private correspondence doesn't fit that attitude, I don't know what does.

I stand by my assertion that this shit was always going on, we just weren't wise to it in the 2000s.

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Post by fg137 »

lutr wrote: post #203
fg137 wrote: post #197

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You still need a host that provides a large storage and monthly bandwidth, which is becoming expensive. It doesn't take care of backups either.

I self-host Immich on a personal home server. I do pay for backups, though. For 65GB of images (not a lot) I pay ~$1/mo to Backblaze. The backed-up data is 30% bigger in size right now (= 82GB), as it's incremental.

Which means it's not "painless". The immich part may be, but compared to automatically synchronizing to iCloud or Google Photos, the experience is significantly worse for an average user.

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Post by jmathai »

tuesdaynight wrote: post #180
jmathai wrote: post #53

Given this is a largely technical crowd, I feel it my duty to share just how good (and free/open) Immich is. If you’re like me and don’t want to be an “admin for life” then it’s still for you. What has worked for me for over a decade is to keep the source of my photos in a boring old folder (backed up to my synology and Dropbox). And then layer photo viewing and sharing apps on top. The day I’m sick of Immich and the…

Just a heads up, but Immich mobile app deleted my local copies when I activated the backup, for some unknown reason. I've checked my settings and there is an option to free up space on backup, but I didn't activate it. It's not something catastrophic, but some messaging apps will not see your pictures and will consider them corrupted

I don’t trust Immich myself :). Its read only external library feature is what made it an option for me.

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Post by jmathai »

gorbachev wrote: post #99
jmathai wrote: post #53

Given this is a largely technical crowd, I feel it my duty to share just how good (and free/open) Immich is. If you’re like me and don’t want to be an “admin for life” then it’s still for you. What has worked for me for over a decade is to keep the source of my photos in a boring old folder (backed up to my synology and Dropbox). And then layer photo viewing and sharing apps on top. The day I’m sick of Immich and the…

I was a big fan of your OpenPhoto / Trovebox solution back in the day. It was ahead of its time. Glad you're still working in the photo sharing space!

Oh wow. Thank you and great to run into folks from that community.

I’ve preserved all of the tags and albums from my Trovebox library. Had high hopes of integrating it into Western Digital NAS devices but…big co :/

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Post by kgwxd »

> You shared them.

Not "You transfer all copies to us, and erase your backups". The "protection" part is making sure the whole world doesn't see the copies you gave them. This "problem" is so old, it should be taught in pre-k by now. Sharing != backup. Friendly reminder to backup your decades old Gmail account before something like this happens too.

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Post by defrost »

inigyou wrote: post #143
defrost wrote: post #98

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Some of us started coding and archiving data 40+ years ago, many of us were suspicious of cloud storage from the get go and have never relied on it as primary storage and still keep multiple location physical backups regional and under direct control of stakeholders.

So you didn't know it either, you just guessed differently from other people's guesses.

If you believed twenty years ago that free candy forever was real then you have my deepest slow shuffling away.

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Post by therealpygon »

Aurornis wrote: post #122
root-parent wrote: post #45

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I predict that in the future, when you cancel an LLM subscription, they will threaten that unless you pay, to fully delete your anonymized chats, they will be public as paid training data. You know ...that is how we managed to offer you such a cheap subscription...

I wish there was some easy way to bet against this happening. I would put a lot of money on the side of this never happening for a multitude of reasons, but I bet I could collect a lot of money from cynics and doomers who think this stuff will happen.

Oh, I’m sure there aren’t any possible examples of similar behaviors. No company would try to penalize cancellation I’m sure, certainly not by forcing you to subscribe for 12 months and pay an out clause to cancel your monthly subscription, and certainly no company would make cancellations far more difficult. There is definitely nothing that would make anyone think this could be a real tactic half-buried in your EULA agreed when signing up for the service. You know, alongside all those clauses that they effectively own copies of everything you send to them.

I’m gonna bet a whole lot more money has been made off corporate apologists who say “that would never happen” about things that definitely then happened.

Wonder how many “conspiracy theorists” warned people cigarettes were causing cancer while corporate apologists pointed to the faked studies of the industry and said “See, they are all crazy, no company would sell something that they know causes cancer! It would be a huge risk!”

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Post by jmathai »

y-c-o-m-b wrote: post #185
jmathai wrote: post #53

Given this is a largely technical crowd, I feel it my duty to share just how good (and free/open) Immich is. If you’re like me and don’t want to be an “admin for life” then it’s still for you. What has worked for me for over a decade is to keep the source of my photos in a boring old folder (backed up to my synology and Dropbox). And then layer photo viewing and sharing apps on top. The day I’m sick of Immich and the…

I've been using it for about 6 months now and I'm mostly happy with it, but there are definitely some pain points. Depending on individual use-case, it can be a bit tricky to get setup. I dislike Docker Desktop for Windows, so I run it in a docker container on Windows Subsystem for Linux with Tailscale and have configured it to automatically initialize all of it when my PC is powered on. It took me many hours and lot…

I feel your pain points.

> The second problem is it can't just work with the file system structure and organization

I presume you know about storage templates and ruled them out.

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Post by Terr_ »

kyle-rb wrote: post #235
Terr_ wrote: post #193

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> There are laws and regulations. There is also legal risk and reputation. One of the big companies, Meta, already decided to go ahead and grab terabytes of pirated books to feed their LLM. [0] Therefore I would not give them (or similar entities) the benefit of the doubt when it comes to how they might use text that customers "gave" them under some unreadably-favorable terms of service. With PII, the pirated-books e…

Is the reputational risk of pirating terabytes of books worse than the reputational risk of shredding (destructively scanning) millions of books? https://arstechnica.com/ai/2025/06/anthropic-destroyed-milli...

> Is the reputational risk of pirating [worse than] destructively scanning

Yes, actually: The blame or bad-reputation for that waste goes to US copyright law and its inanities.

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