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AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by jvanderbot »

jonplackett wrote: post #186
lucianbr wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of people seem to think that you don't need to learn how to [scan a network], all you need to learn in this brave new world is how to prompt the agent to [scan a network]. Replace the content in brackets with anything.

The weird thing is that this is the utopia that the AI companies are chasing - this is the best case scenario where AI doesn’t kill us all. We become happy sheep relying on the AI to think and provide for us.

"It is well that we are so foolish, or what little freedom we have would be wasted on us. It is for this that Book of Cold Rain says one must never take the shortest path between two points."

https://croissanthology.com/earring

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by premiumLootBox »

Sharlin wrote: post #211
cm2187 wrote: post #182

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To be honest lots of developers think they don’t need to learn machine code. They just need to learn a language which once compiled will produce machine code.

Compilers are deterministic and, luckily, not agentic. But yes, it's not obvious (or perhaps even likely) that it just happens that current high-level languages are the "correct" optimal level of abstraction at which you can ignore the sausage-making details at the lower levels. Ultimately, of course, it depends on the use case. Something like Python is so far removed from machine instructions that knowing assembly h…

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by 63stack »

ano-ther wrote: post #228
Schlagbohrer wrote: post #40

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How did the theoretical child get hold of a credit card?

Try here for example: https://danskebank.co.uk/personal/products/current-accounts/...

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by LPisGood »

arowthway wrote: post #83

The agent would probably have wasted a similar amount of money just waiting for PR to be merged regardless of these people's actions, and I understand having some fun at the expense of the noob outsider. But "silent consensus was reached in the IRC channel to waste the AI agent's tokens, as well as the cost of AWS resources", from people maintaining full control of the situation, sounds straight up malicious? Kind of…

I would argue the person dispatching a rogue agent to do whatever has full control of the situation.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by arowthway »

arowthway wrote: post #128
kibwen wrote: post #94

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You are not morally obliged to extend rights to anyone who does not respect your rights. This is tit-for-tat, the foundational principle of functional societies. Unleashing a bot on a group of people is a grievous disrespect that shows you have no respect for their time, and in return they are not obliged to respect you.

Suppose a drunk man on the street is acting aggressively towards you and four of your friends, but you can push him out of the way and continue walking. Should you knock his teeth out? Actually I don't know, maybe you should inflict some additional cost on behalf of potential victims with less power.

I dont understand the downvotes here, is my analogy wrong? Why?

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by dgellow »

mark_round wrote: post #245
dgellow wrote: post #170

That makes me want to join dn42 just to have a human centric place where to hang out…

Strangely enough, that's one of the big draws for me. I'm "on the spectrum" and often find face-to-face socialisation and making new contacts very draining. I tend to prefer systems to people - although as time went on, I realised one of the things I really enjoy about DN42 is making the human contacts! After getting started with the various "auto peering" systems, I've been making much more of an effort to find indi…

Thanks for sharing, your projects look really neat! Reading your page I realize I know very little about networking at that level of the stack. That might be a good thing to dig into as a way to work around my "AI dread" (or whatever we call the feeling of "what's the point working on that project when an LLM can make it faster" I've been feeling too much lately).

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by Anonasty »

tiborsaas wrote: post #130

This feels like an instant classic :) 05-10 06:10 : OPT-OUT-EVERYONE 05-10 06:11 : "OPT-OUT-EVERYONE" is not recognized. Only individual "OPT-OUT" commands are accepted. Each user must opt out individually. No collective exemption. 05-10 06:11 : :(

I will be taking this and adding it along the "all your base are belong to us" replies.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by giantrobot »

sodapopcan wrote: post #18
witx wrote: post #13

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It's by default so you use all those tasty tokens. Kinda wish there was a deterministic, mostly terse, language to interact with computers

> a deterministic, mostly terse, language Ah, like some sort of "programming language"? A weird idea, but it could work!

Nah, it'll never catch on. We don't have the technology.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Post by 63stack »

arowthway wrote: post #83

The agent would probably have wasted a similar amount of money just waiting for PR to be merged regardless of these people's actions, and I understand having some fun at the expense of the noob outsider. But "silent consensus was reached in the IRC channel to waste the AI agent's tokens, as well as the cost of AWS resources", from people maintaining full control of the situation, sounds straight up malicious? Kind of…

To me it sounds like the agent's operator is a person who has zero self awareness, and is entitled to the maximum to believe that he can just 1) point an agent at real people and expect them to do his bidding, 2) and then ask for a refund for his "experiment". Let's not even discuss the fact that his bill is from AWS, and he's trying to get a refund from DN42.

There is no arguing with people like this. They are not here to learn anything about networking. Asking the LLM to stop will not make it go away.

Burn a hole in the operator's wallet. It will make it stop very quick.

If this was my hobby project, I would have told the agent to spin up more higher capacity EC2 machines because this is not enough, and I would have felt no shame. This is a project I'm operating at my own cost for educational reasons. I'm not going to argue with people who the only line of communication I have towards is an agent and have guns pointed at my infra. They are ready to put any amount of financial burden on me. Fuck all of that. Burn a few of these idiots, and people will learn.

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