This whole fiasco could have been prevented had the operator included "Make no mistakes" in the prompt.
AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#182The sad part is that the agent operator could probably easily have been allowed to join the network, if they had put in the work. Had they done so there would have been a great opportunity to learn and potentially find a community. I'm still not sure what the point of having the bot do it. Pretend to be a security researcher?
Lots of people seem to think that you don't need to learn how to [scan a network], all you need to learn in this brave new world is how to prompt the agent to [scan a network]. Replace the content in brackets with anything.
To be honest lots of developers think they don’t need to learn machine code. They just need to learn a language which once compiled will produce machine code.
Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#183The agent would probably have wasted a similar amount of money just waiting for PR to be merged regardless of these people's actions, and I understand having some fun at the expense of the noob outsider. But "silent consensus was reached in the IRC channel to waste the AI agent's tokens, as well as the cost of AWS resources", from people maintaining full control of the situation, sounds straight up malicious? Kind of…
From my perspective the use of an agent to interact with dn42 IS malicious. It’s not ideological, the behaviour is what is bad here
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
If it's a one off and needs no or minimal maintenance work afterwords, sure. If it's intended to be actively maintained, then you probably should understand how things work, unless you want to wipe everything and start from scratch when the LLM creates such a mess that it can't be sorted out.
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It's interesting user43928 that you only created your account here 19 days ago and that every one of your comments is pro AI. You don't comment on anything else. Also interesting that you promote Fable by name here (it was only released 2 days ago).
(Don't worry, I know I'm rowing against the tide with this comment. The AI people have decided to destroy the commons for a few more millions on top of the billions they have already been given. It's a shame.)
Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of people seem to think that you don't need to learn how to [scan a network], all you need to learn in this brave new world is how to prompt the agent to [scan a network]. Replace the content in brackets with anything.
To be honest lots of developers think they don’t need to learn machine code. They just need to learn a language which once compiled will produce machine code.
Developers can change their minds.
Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#186The sad part is that the agent operator could probably easily have been allowed to join the network, if they had put in the work. Had they done so there would have been a great opportunity to learn and potentially find a community. I'm still not sure what the point of having the bot do it. Pretend to be a security researcher?
Lots of people seem to think that you don't need to learn how to [scan a network], all you need to learn in this brave new world is how to prompt the agent to [scan a network]. Replace the content in brackets with anything.
The weird thing is that this is the utopia that the AI companies are chasing - this is the best case scenario where AI doesn’t kill us all. We become happy sheep relying on the AI to think and provide for us.
Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
A human operates this stupid machine. This comes from human interactions and it is malicious.
It could be malicious, but I imagined it's some third world wanabe hacker/researcher, who doesn't know any better, operating at the edge of his abilities.
Is that not still malicious?
Those people should be banned from using the civilized internet, their intent or at least their effect is harm - that is the important bit.
If they managed to get in, find some resource they could access, they would do it. Those people don't deserve to be on the internet.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
How did the theoretical child get hold of a credit card?
Because no 16 year old kid ever got to buy anything on a card before.
My parents let me fill my tank with gas. They wouldn't let me open an AWS account. Aside from that, if it is misuse of a parents card, then then answer is "chargeback."
Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#189I really wanted to dislike the anonymous operator for the careless project (and the hilarious pomposity of the IRC subagent it spawned). Then I imagined the real-but-unknowable chance it was all set up by some kid just getting into computers, just seeing what’s possible, getting excited by a much bigger world at reach — and remembered my own expensive mistakes with long-distance BBSes & the like. I sorta hope for tha…
Honestly, kids (heck people below 23) shouldn't be allowed an AWS account. AWS also should have a strict cap on usage that's not "thousands of dollars". It's interesting they are yet to be regulated or sued for that. Having a web app where you can mistakenly (even without AI) click a button and get charged tens of thousands of dollars and only know that days later should have been unacceptable.
I couldn't disagree more. I was playing around with AWS when I was probably 14 years old, with a credit card from my parents with consent, and a strict budget and the understanding that if I mess up and overspend, I'm getting disciplined.
I learned a lot of stuff about networking, how AWS works (VPCs, IAM, CloudWatch, etc) from trial and error, and hobby projects like personal websites (free tier), hosting a Minecraft server, etc.
Being too overprotective can have negative consequences on folks who are responsible. One of the things I love about the technology and internet communities, etc is that you're mostly judged based on how you act and behave; not your age or other visible characteristics.
Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42
#190> JertLinc3522: the mistake was from AI agent not from Human, since it was the agent I should have refund Expensive way to learn this lesson.
This has to be trolling, right? I find it hard to believe that anyone, no matter how dense, could come to this conclusion after this whole saga.
Sadly there are lots of unintelligent people out there who are incapable of taking responsibility for their own actions.