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Removable batteries in smartphones will be mandatory in the EU starting in 2027

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Post by strictnein »

mort96 wrote: post #242
strictnein wrote: post #207

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These don't dangle or impede your use: https://www.anker.com/products/a1665-5k-ultra-slim-qi2-power...

Is that ... just a wall wart with a screen on it? Why is that relevant? EDIT: Wait no it's a carousel of completely unrelated products because the page redirected (without my input) to https://ankernordics.com/ .

Hmmm... I'm not sure what you're seeing to be honest. The link should be to a slim 5000mah magsafe battery that attaches to the back of iPhones.

The Anker Nano Power Bank (5K, MagGo, Slim). No screen, charges via USBC.

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Post by elzbardico »

xp84 wrote: post #42
spockz wrote: post #9

My initial reaction as an EU citizen is “oh hell no” because it gave me flashbacks to removable covers with clips that broke my nails. But after reading the article where it mentions that the battery is also considered removable if standard tools should be used, I’m quite okay with it. I welcome getting more rugged and durable devices.

Serious question: how are you worse off with a cover that breaks your nails vs. the status quo: a cover that’s glued on and a battery that’s glued in? If they did bring that back, couldn’t you just not open the cover and be just as happy?

IGNORE: duplicated

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Post by haritha-j »

proee wrote: post #196

Smartwatches should also be on the list. My Apple Watch 8 is at 76% maximum capacity. Apparently it costs $99 to have Apple replace the battery, which is probably not worth it.

Agreed. $100 to replace a battery that must cost them maybe $10 is criminal. Source: https://counterpointresearch.com/en/insights/bom-analysis-ap...

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Post by tracker1 »

phoronixrly wrote: post #239
chroma wrote: post #156

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The point is that people have different preferences, so the EU should not force people to buy phones with removable batteries. People who want such features can buy those phones, and people who want smaller, thinner phones can buy ones with integrated batteries. At most the EU should tax externalities like electronic waste, though that would be a rounding error compared to the cost of the phone itself.

This has been repeated so so many times... How can you be sure that throwaway glued-together phones are thinner and lighter than repairable phones.. If there is any source of this information, it's vendors who have interest in phones being non-repairable so they can ship more units... How about vendors get on their asses and design thinner and lighter phones that are not e-waste from the moment they leave the factory…

For that matter, I put a chonky case on my phone anyway... would rather have a sturdier phone that doesn't need an additional case that has the features I'd like, including an easily replaced/swapped battery.

Beyond this, hell, make the "internal" battery solid-state with minimal capacity and have an external power pack from the get-go as part of case designs. Get the size of battery you want... if you want a big booty phone with battery for days, you can get it.

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Post by bigbuppo »

chroma wrote: post #156
toasty228 wrote: post #132

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Oh yeah so it's utter trash and not worthy of our attention. Imagine carrying a whole 58 grams more, during a whole day, impossible for the average tech worker's atrophied muscles

The point is that people have different preferences, so the EU should not force people to buy phones with removable batteries. People who want such features can buy those phones, and people who want smaller, thinner phones can buy ones with integrated batteries. At most the EU should tax externalities like electronic waste, though that would be a rounding error compared to the cost of the phone itself.

We weren't given a choice in the first place.

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Post by criddell »

protimewaster wrote: post #219
wmf wrote: post #7

There's an exception for batteries that "retain at least 80% of its original capacity after 1,000 charge cycles." Coincidentally, iPhones and probably other flagships already qualify for this exception.

Last time this was discussed, it was stated that the text exempting based on cycle counts was removed from the final, adopted version. Is that incorrect?

On the page linked to it mentions the two exceptions that exempt iPhone and other flagship phones - long lifespan (80% after 1000 charges) and waterproof (IP67).

The other exemption criteria is for specialized (medical) devices and devices where a removable battery would be unsafe.

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Post by [deleted] »

matchbok3 wrote: post #153
anonymars wrote: post #89

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So you're suggesting we all just need to buy exclusively flip phones for a few years to send the market a signal that it wants replaceable batteries. Then the free market will do its thing and keep the engine of innovation running Speaking of which, does anyone want to do a list of "features added to smartphones over the last 10 years" vs "features removed from smartphones over the last 10 years" so we can see just w…

I'm not suggesting anything, I'm simply offering the reality of the smartphone market. What you are suggesting is a contrived, exaggerated take of how markets function. People generally like small, thin phones, as evidenced by the billions sold. It really isn't much more complicated than that.

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Post by ratiolat »

badsectoracula wrote: post #191
ratiolat wrote: post #44

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IP68, replaceable battery, phone jack, 5G: https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_xcover6_pro-11600.php

Unfortunately it is from 2022, meaning no OS upgrades. I think the next mandatory laws EU should pass is that manufacturers should either allow people to upgrade/replace the OS by themselves or provide mandatory upgrades for the next decade (i don't care how the manufacturers handle it, that's up to them, but the easiest way out of such a law is to allow people upgrade/replace the OS by themselves).

It's receiving monthly updates: https://security.samsungmobile.com/workScope.smsb

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Post by alt227 »

hamdingers wrote: post #38
whazor wrote: post #34

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Still, the majority of the population would get a phone with replaceable battery.

All the top smartphone manufacturers hit that bar, at least for their mid and high end phones. The focus on apple is misleading and weird. This will only impact bottom barrel phones.

Exactly. Apple and Samsung phones account for 90% of the market and are exempt fro mthis bill. So just how much ewaste will it prevent?

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Post by pembrook »

manoDev wrote: post #225
Aurornis wrote: post #24

As others have mentioned this is for phones with batteries that can’t survive a reasonable number of cycles. That’s a reasonable exemption, in my opinion. I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery that I don’t need to replace for 3-4 years anyway. I do wish one manufacturer would make a flagship phone with replaceable battery so all of the uncompromising…

> I don’t want to pay the extra penalties of reduced structural rigidity and water tightness for a battery This is a BS excuse. Lots and lots of gadgets with removable batteries and waterproof design as evidence.

> Lots and lots of gadgets with removable batteries and waterproof design as evidence.

And this is a BS rebuttal. None of them achieve the same miniaturization and water tightness as iPhone.

This law is basically government being co-opted by a tiny vocal minority to force their unpopular opinions onto the rest of the public.

If any modest percentage of the market cared about replaceable batteries above all else in their phones, the market would already be packed with removable battery phone options.

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