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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by yason »

janice1999 wrote: post #7

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.

Lane keeping is often hard to disable and you have to do it each and every drive, so getting that off permanently and putting the car offline then that is an unexpected bonus. Probably the same also applies for the speed limit beeper that partially relies on GPS maps. Taping over the front camera also works.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by jimnotgym »

encom wrote: post #133
janice1999 wrote: post #7

Disabling internet connectivity disables lane keeping assistance. I wonder if this is a dark pattern to punish users who opt out or because they feel they need reports of crashes ahead to do it safely.

>disables lane keeping assistance That is a desirable outcome. I have driven about half a dozen vehicles with this feature, and it has been annoying 100% of the time, and never helpful at all. In the company van I drive (Citroën Berlingo) I have to disable it every time I start the car. The lane keeping gets confused all the time by snow or dirt or when merging onto the motorway, or fucking background radiation - I d…

I don't know if it is because I'm neurodivergent, but most driving aids are incredibly distracting for me. I'm terrified of anything interfering with my steering like lane keeping. Flashed up speed warnings, and especially anything that beeps are super distracting. I drive with GPS on silent, now the car wants to override that.

Result, I drive a 2012 car.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by yason »

rmunn wrote: post #215
Fnoord wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it ridiculous navigation would require always-on internet connectivity. Seems a regression from the offline TomTom devices from the past.

I've only used Google Maps for navigation myself so can't speak to what Rivian does. But Google Maps uses Internet access to determine the speed of traffic on your route, allowing it suggest alternate routes if there's a traffic jam. (It also uploads the speed that you're traveling to Google servers, which is how they know about traffic jams to begin with: in many cities they could buy data from traffic cameras, but…

Google Maps uses Internet access to determine the speed of traffic on your route, allowing it suggest alternate routes if there's a traffic jam.

My phone can pre-download maps into Google Maps for offline use, I've done this in foreign countries where I didn't necessarily have full data connection. There's no reason you couldn't cache the necessary maps on the car's navigation system and let it operate based on that and an incoming GPS signal, never emitting out one bit.

OTOH, if you wanted live data, dynamic routing etc. for your convenience you could explicitly turn data on but then you'd acknowledge it comes with the caveats such as potential snooping of telemetry data.

Admittedly, I would never trust a car manufacturer to actually disable telemetry no matter what they'd promise. So, disconnecting the antennae would be the only reliable method regardless. I wonder if there will ever be a car with a physical radio kill switch like laptops.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by haritha-j »

codedokode wrote: post #224

Internet-connected cars are a national security issue when manufacturers are from one country (A) and consumer is in another country (B). For example, the President of country A might wake up in a bad mood and order to disable all A-manufactured cars in B until they reconsider the trade deal. Or, he might order to collect geolocation, plugged for charging smartphone data, audio and video recordings from cars in B bel…

The president of a country disable another country's cars to push a trade deal because he was in a bad mood?

What an utterly ludicrous and silly notion.

Is what I would've said two years ago.

I wish it was two years ago.

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by lefra »

smotched wrote: post #237
kelnos wrote: post #113

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Why would you be sharing that? There's no reason why the navigation system needs to constantly tell a remote system where you are. Navigation systems don't even need an Internet connection for basic routing.

Navigation through gps means you're connected to a satelite at all times. has nothing to do with an internet connection. You're directly connected to the U.S. government (Space Force)

A GPS receiver is passive, it doesn't send any signal to the satellites. The satellite broadcast their position and what time it is from their point of view, and the receiver computes its position from that.

Also, there are now several countries that sent positioning constellations (obviously to not have to rely on the US for positioning), and most receivers support several: GPS (US), Galileo (Europe), Glonass (Russia), Beidu (China).

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by CoastalCoder »

Loughla wrote: post #190
UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #178

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I assure you that “old cars costing as much as new ones” isn’t the result of the market force of people reading contractual fine print and/or freaking out about telemetry. Concentric circles of echo chambers over here.

I agree. I have never met anyone in real life that's concerned about telemetry on their car. They're worried about the cost of a new car, and the cost of all the electronics, should they go bad.

I realize that I'm not a person in your real life, but FYI I'm concerned about the telemetry in my car.

(Just stating this as a data point for you.)

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by dissolution »

Svoka wrote: post #238
LocalH wrote: post #186

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So you're okay with every single company being able to track you, build a profile to you, and sell that profile to the highest bidder, while you get nothing remotely comparable in value?

I feel like I am getting access to lots of products in part shaped by my data. It is not like I have better things to do with it.

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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by fainpul »

The user wants to "disable data collection". The manufacturer offers only a kill switch for all connectivity, with all the unwanted effects (which they helpfully list).

I've seen this pattern before. It's a lame cop-out. "Of course you can do that, but you'll have to accept all these negative consequences. There's nothing we can do about it. You brought this onto yourself."

Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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Post by b3lvedere »

fainpul wrote: post #258

The user wants to "disable data collection ". The manufacturer offers only a kill switch for all connectivity , with all the unwanted effects (which they helpfully list). I've seen this pattern before. It's a lame cop-out. "Of course you can do that, but you'll have to accept all these negative consequences. There's nothing we can do about it. You brought this onto yourself."

Exactly. It's extremely annoying.
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