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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by akramachamarei »

squigz wrote: post #198
Aurornis wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every new service is a colossal headache to set up payment, remember to cancel payment if you only wanted to see the single event and have no need for the service the rest of the year, find what's playing on what when I just don't find these arguments convincing after watching my friend spend cumulative hours upon hours jumping between pirate streaming services trying to find a stable feed for every game. This feel…

In my experience, people's reasons for piracy are a pretty even mix of all these issues (service problems, principles, and cost) I'd certainly pirate less if I could afford it, but even if I could, I'd still pirate a lot of stuff because I don't want to worry about what streaming service it's on this week, or because I don't want to contribute to monopolization of some industry. And sure, I'd still pirate some things…

> I'd certainly pirate less if I could afford it

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by walletdrainer »

llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

It’s very easy to watch pirated streams, it’s insanely complicated to reliably watch the official streams.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by pier25 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #217

Ironically, I live in Spain, and at this very minute, there is a football game going on (Atlético Madrid vs Barcelona) which I literally just learned about because I could just hear my neighbors scream about the 0-1 score, and with Vodafone ISP I'm not experiencing the block of Cloudflare right now. https://hayahora.futbol/ also shows "NO" incorrectly (if you're being strict about the title+domain). I'm guessing it's…

> I'm guessing it's specifically because it isn't a La Liga game, it's UEFA Champions League

Probably just a matter of time. The article mentions:

"Lo bloqueos aplicarán "todos los días de emisión de eventos deportivos en directo", arrancando por primera vez con el partido de eliminatoria de la Champions League entre el Atlético de Madrid y el Barcelona que se celebra hoy martes 14 de abril."

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by halJordan »

londons_explore wrote: post #221
Aurornis wrote: post #144

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> Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom I don't have experience with broadcast media (in Spain, especially) but I a little experience on the software side: I could not believe the lengths some people would go to in order to avoid paying even $5-10 for useful software. Hours of work, sketchy cracks, downloading things from websites likely to compromise their…

I am part of this crowd. I have never paid a cent for software. I have spent many hours with Ida pro and Ghidra. That time was well spent for the knowledge I gained, even if it wasn't worth it to save a few bucks.

But see you're making up reasons that are separate rationalizations. Which just proves the guys point, that even you don't think what you're doing is reasonable without some superfluous reason

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by walletdrainer »

opengrass wrote: post #115
llbbdd wrote: post #30

Assuming that "piracy is a service problem, not a pricing problem" is still the prevailing wisdom, what is Spain / La Liga doing wrong that sports piracy is so prevalent as to warrant this? It seems like a no-brainer to expand stream availability and charge appropriately for it vs. scheduling daily kneecaps of other economic activity.

Piracy is for teenagers and poor people.

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Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by TeMPOraL »

plantain wrote: post #200
roer wrote: post #121

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It doesn't have to be significantly better. If the service is stable, cheap and hassle-free, people will pay for it.

For many users it's just not true. I run a subscription weather forecast service for pilots, with a free trial period. A significant number of users reset their device every week to avoid paying 10 euros a month. These are aircraft owners .

Just because you own an aircraft, doesn't mean you have a budget to pay random EUR 10/month subscriptions.

People save money to buy expensive stuff. Or take out loans. One cannot assume that everyone doesn't care about spending < X dollars, where X is = 1% of the most expensive asset they own (see e.g. $3000 gaming PC vs. $30 software, elsewhere in the thread).

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by rrr_oh_man »

plantain wrote: post #200
roer wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't have to be significantly better. If the service is stable, cheap and hassle-free, people will pay for it.

For many users it's just not true. I run a subscription weather forecast service for pilots, with a free trial period. A significant number of users reset their device every week to avoid paying 10 euros a month. These are aircraft owners .

That's crazy! I would LOVE to hear more of that.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by numpad0 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #138
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #119

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I’m a Dutch native and if it were up to me we’d switch to English. I think it’s dumb that small country like us feels the need to maintain its own language. It is a massive disadvantage. It means that we’re always late with new stuff because the Dutch market is so small no one wants to make the effort of building Dutch versions.

I'm a native Swede and I've said the same about Swedish to, don't really care if it's Mandarin, English or Spanish, just that as many countries as possible go together and unify under one language. Obviously both for Netherlands and Sweden, English would be the way to go, but imagine if you could learn just 3 languages and speak with 90% of the world's population? I thought globalism would take us there eventually so…

FWIW, Mandarin is not the universal spoken language of China. It's just the lingua franca of China as the region. They actually have something like a dozen major groups of dialects with varying degrees of mutual intelligibility.

The place read as Shang-hai in Mandarin is apparently read Zan-he in the local "dialect" spoken there. I think one could say Koln and Cologne sound closer together.

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by balamatom »

giantg2 wrote: post #176

This is how greed works. The players want as much money as they can get. The owners want to charge as much as they can for everything while paying the least possible amount. The networks that buy the broadcasting and other rights want to most they can charge for them. Sports have gotten way out of hand, even without the betting aspect. People criticize gambling, porn, and other less desirable forms of entertainment w…

The ones who pirate the sports broadcasts are in the right. Spectator sports are literally brainwashing: they hook into vestigial tribal instincts, reinforce them, and channel them for political goals - such as norm-setting, or extrajudicial violence.

Anyone who genuinely likes kickball because they derive exquisite pleasure from watching balls being kicked, can go watch it live. But no, it just has to reach right into people's living rooms, at the cost of disrupting productive activity. Imagine if people paid such enthusiastic attention to things that were not about "winning" and "losing" some completely imaginary competition. Imagine how much better their lives would've been!

Re: Spain to expand internet blocks to tennis, golf, movies broadcasting times

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Post by squigz »

akramachamarei wrote: post #251
squigz wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, people's reasons for piracy are a pretty even mix of all these issues (service problems, principles, and cost) I'd certainly pirate less if I could afford it, but even if I could, I'd still pirate a lot of stuff because I don't want to worry about what streaming service it's on this week, or because I don't want to contribute to monopolization of some industry. And sure, I'd still pirate some things…

> I'd certainly pirate less if I could afford it

What's your point?
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