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Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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A couple of my colleagues have so many applications running at the menu bar, so they have to use Bartender to be able to have anything resembling a functional menu bar. I understand power users, but I don't understand these users.

Weird. I think I have about 4. Someone is confusing the menu bar for the Dock

Currently I have 6 extras, which is a rare number I see. My normal number is 3.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#252

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A couple of my colleagues have so many applications running at the menu bar, so they have to use Bartender to be able to have anything resembling a functional menu bar. I understand power users, but I don't understand these users.

Weird. I think I have about 4. Someone is confusing the menu bar for the Dock

Your experience is not everyone s experience. Are you one of their colleagues. No? Then they weren’t talking about you.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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Weird. I think I have about 4. Someone is confusing the menu bar for the Dock

Your experience is not everyone s experience. Are you one of their colleagues. No? Then they weren’t talking about you.

They don't have to be one of my colleagues to share their own perspective and experience. We're a rather large band of computer using people here, and it's good to share experiences and viewpoints.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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post #53

The notch hiding menubar icons is such a stupid problem to have. I waste hours every week trying to help people who send me frustrated emails because they bought one of my apps and they say: "it doesn't launch" or "why doesn't it have any interface??" No amount of FAQ will help these people. And this also results in hasty refund requests and even worse, chargebacks that take 2x the amount the users paid out of my poc…

There is no reason for apps to be in the menubar. Either they should have a dock icon or be hidden completely. And open a window with functions and settings when opened by spotlight.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#255

There's so much tailscale shilling on hn and if you say anything neutral you're voted down.

tailscale offers many good things. for example "tailscale" drop for free, share files between devices on your network also https://tailscale.com/docs/features/tailscale-funnel which is cloudflare tunnel alternative, no more localtunnel or other things so i am not surprized people like it as product, most good features are free.

Had very high hopes for tailscale drop but it’s worked literally once of the 7 times I tried to use it before I stopped trying.

Mostly machines on the same network.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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I have pointed out this stat before: Global user base Mac: 100 million (2024) PC gamers: 900 million A lot of Mac enthusiasts seem to scoff at the idea that someone buying a laptop wants it to be able to play some kind of video games. Apple can make the greatest computer in the world but for many customers the fact that it can only run ~5% of games or whatever is a dealbreaker. The Neo can play many games on some lev…

The ability to run without a fan is not a problem; it's a feature. Would you want a fan in your phone?

What about the fan in the Nintendo Switch? Do Nintendo Switch owners hear the fan or consider it a problem that stops them from making a purchase?

I don’t know why people parrot this talking point about a lack of fan being a positive feature. It’s like a shared propaganda talking point that Mac enthusiasts all agree upon universally. If Apple added fans to the Air and Neo you’d all change your tune since Dear Leader changed their mind, just like when Apple enthusiasts stopped blindly hating Intel suddenly during the architecture transition. You’d all say stuff like “Apple gave us boosted performance and you can’t even hear the fans! All those PC laptops that I’ve never cross shopped since 2001 sound like jet engines!”

A simple passive heatsink has been shown to boost performance significantly in the MacBook Neo.

The throttling of the chips in Apple’s lower end systems are an intentional form of price segmentation. The MacBook Pro won’t be any faster than the Air if the Air was just cooled properly.

I would unironically take a fan in my phone if it stopped it from throttling, dimming the screen, and halting charging when it’s a hot day in direct sunlight. It would just have to make sense in the context of a phone design, of course, which is a challenge.

https://support.apple.com/en-us/118431

There are phones on the market with detachable active cooling solutions to help with sustained intense gameplay:

https://rog.asus.com/phones/rog-phone-9-pro/

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

#257

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The ability to run without a fan is not a problem; it's a feature. Would you want a fan in your phone?

It's fine, but it's a design decision with tradeoffs, and gamers are prepared to make different tradeoffs (bigger and noisier are ok if they deliver a big enough performance jump).

Is that the tradeoff they make with the Nintendo Switch? I’ve never heard the fan in my Nintendo Switch and it’s a very compact device. My Nintendo Switch 2 is also very compact, smaller and lighter than a MacBook Neo, and it can play AAA games at high frame rates (e.g., Resident Evil: Requiem) while the MacBook Neo struggles with 5 year old titles like Cyberpunk.

This is a very comparable device considering it’s also an ARM-based computer essentially.

We need to stop making excuses for Apple’s unwillingness to include a basic form of cooling for their low end devices. It’s just price segmentation. Make the cheap stuff artificially slow, push you up to the MacBook Pro.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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The ability to run without a fan is not a problem; it's a feature. Would you want a fan in your phone?

It's also a con. You get worse sustained performance. You also get a hotter device. There's a reason the base model M series MBPs consistently bench higher than the exact same chip MBAs in things like Cinebench. The fan.

As I’ve pointed out in my other comments, the Nintendo Switch and Switch 2 are perfect devices to dispel this whole “no fan is better” narrative.

Clearly it’s not a challenge to make a compact, performant device with a nearly silent fan. Clearly customers don’t mind that devices have fans even for devices meant to be held in hand for hours that weigh less than a pound.

I can buy a handheld from Nintendo for $450 that can play new AAA games with great performance while the Neo struggles with 5 year old titles like Cyberpunk despite likely having better overall hardware. A MacBook Neo with a fan would get 15-30% better overall performance and +50% framerate in games as has been demonstrated by multiple tinkerers on YouTube.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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post #27

Every time I get a new Mac, I run these commands to reduce the spacing between menu bar icons. Lets you fit at least 2x the number of items in the menu bar. ``` defaults -currentHost write -globalDomain NSStatusItemSpacing -int 2 defaults -currentHost write -globalDomain NSStatusItemSelectionPadding -int 2 ```

Been using this trick for a while. It's wild that this isn't exposed in System Settings somewhere. macOS basically treats third-party menu bar apps as second-class citizens and then acts surprised when users are confused.

Re: Tailscale's new macOS home

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post #256

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The ability to run without a fan is not a problem; it's a feature. Would you want a fan in your phone?

What about the fan in the Nintendo Switch? Do Nintendo Switch owners hear the fan or consider it a problem that stops them from making a purchase? I don’t know why people parrot this talking point about a lack of fan being a positive feature. It’s like a shared propaganda talking point that Mac enthusiasts all agree upon universally. If Apple added fans to the Air and Neo you’d all change your tune since Dear Leader…

Nice of you to decide we’re just parroting instead of thinking.

If the MacBook Air had a fan, it would be thicker and would need a bigger battery. It would then be the same, aside from the screen, from the base MacBook Pro. You are 100% correct. The fact it has no fan allows Apple to reduce its weight and thickness. Thus reducing its price. You’re absolutely right.

Fans in laptops are more and more a gamer pilled flight of fancy. Phones and iPads have shown they’re not a necessity.

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