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Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by olyjohn »

macintux wrote: post #67
nico wrote: post #9

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I think plug-in hybrids are the perfect combo. You get amazing flexibility and if you mostly drive locally, then 80-90% you are probably purely driving electric When we bought are last car, I would've bought one of those if there had been a Toyota or Honda minivan. We ended up going for a regular hybrid instead. Hopefully this category gets adopted by more car makers

Extra weight, extra drivetrain complexity, and many owners don't actually charge their hybrids so they're getting worse mileage. Tradeoffs everywhere, so "perfect" is very much not the word I'd apply.

Extra weight compared to what? A pure ICE car? The weight savings from only using 30% of the batteries is huge. Also, what's more complex about a PHEV vs a regular hybrid? Do you want to tell me how heavy and unreliable a Prius is?

And who cares about a bunch of people do who don't know how to use their shit? That doesn't mean there's something wrong with the vehicle.

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Post by olyjohn »

WarmWash wrote: post #196
Marsymars wrote: post #83

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> The battery of a PHEV is relatively small and will be strained much more (as compared to an EV), especially if you drive a lot in EV modus. PHEV batteries tend to wear out faster for this reason. This drives up cost of ownership. With appropriate battery management, this doesn't really drive up the cost, it just moves the depreciation curve around. Think of it from the other side - with an EV, you're paying up fron…

Toyota did a study and found that pretty much no one who owns a PHEV ever plugs it in. I know you qualified with with "proper battery management", but the reality is most people will be lazy and cannot be bothered.

So? They're just throwing money away. How is that a problem with the car?

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Post by Marsymars »

WarmWash wrote: post #196
Marsymars wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The battery of a PHEV is relatively small and will be strained much more (as compared to an EV), especially if you drive a lot in EV modus. PHEV batteries tend to wear out faster for this reason. This drives up cost of ownership. With appropriate battery management, this doesn't really drive up the cost, it just moves the depreciation curve around. Think of it from the other side - with an EV, you're paying up fron…

Toyota did a study and found that pretty much no one who owns a PHEV ever plugs it in. I know you qualified with with "proper battery management", but the reality is most people will be lazy and cannot be bothered.

Er, yeah, but that's an entirely different problem than the one I was commenting on. If you never plug your PHEV in your battery will last forever since it will take ages for the capacity to drop to where it no longer functions as a sink for regen braking.

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Post by TacticalCoder »

michaelteter wrote: post #58

If one removed the country names and just looked at where investment (focus, planning, and money) was, we would see two greatly different pictures. One country is disincentivizing or even blocking renewable energy production, rolling back climate protection measures, trying to revitalize the coal industry, slashing investment in scientific research of all kinds, demonizing higher education, and spending vast and rapi…

> One of these two countries is riding on momentum, but the drag from waste and mismanagement of resources is increasingly slowing it. The other country is building momentum while reducing drag.

Let's not stop at the two biggest economies: the US and China. Let's add the EU to the mix. The EU saw, inflation adjusted in USD, hardly any growth since the 2008 financial crisis to now. While both the US and China's GDPs grew like crazy.

I agree that China atm is doing something very right but if you believe the US not on a good path, you should look at the EU. The EU has nothing but one company left in the top 50 of the biggest worldwide companies by market cap. Not that long ago the UK was the world's first superpower and France just before that.

And now my EU is headed on a path leading to third-worldness.

The times they are a changin'.

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Post by tmnvix »

foxglacier wrote: post #195
paxys wrote: post #31

Genius strategy by the USA to disincentivize EVs, disincentivize solar and wind, increase dependency on oil & gas, and...start a war that makes oil and gas more expensive for everyone. Markets are now forecasting oil prices will stay above $100 a barrel for multiple years . Best of luck to the economy.

War with Iran was inevitable - either US/Israel starts it or Iran starts it - when they get the upper hand. And that war was bound to disrupt oil supply. Don't forget their goal is death to America and Death to Israel. That's what they've been arming themselves for for decades. That's what they're trying to build nuclear bombs for. They had to be stopped eventually and that was always going to be uncomfortable for wh…

> either US/Israel starts it or Iran starts it - when they get the upper hand

Iran's modern history doesn't suggest this at all. Quite the opposite - they have been continually invaded. To me, theirs seems like an explicitly defensive stance. They have no airforce, navy, or tanks and such to speak of - just missiles and drones. Not a force suited to invading other countries.

You could argue about their support for regional militia's but I still wouldn't concede that indicates any desire to start a war.

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Post by dh2022 »

tim333 wrote: post #246
harry8 wrote: post #243

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1910 The UK is the biggest, most powerful empire the world has ever seen. 1950 The UK is not that or anything like it. Today. Does anyone really care much about what the UK says or does on the world stage? Ordinary British are better off now than 1910 and it isn't close. So what you say is obviously true as long you define "quickly."

Much of the UK's decline from 1910 to 1950 was from spending its money funding WW1 and WW2. Hopefully we don't get world wars soon.

Plus the Japanese beating the British so badly all over Southeast Asia. This gave a lot of momentum to independence in Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand and eventually India.

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Post by maleldil »

paxys wrote: post #78
mlinhares wrote: post #70

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It is a strategy, the oil producers in the US are making bank right now. They're getting exactly what they paid for by buying this presidency.

There's a sweet spot in oil pricing that maximizes profits for producers, and $110 a barrel is well over that. If there's a recession then nobody is buying your product.

Is there a world in the near future where Americans aren't buying oil or oil-derived products, regardless of the price?

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Post by michaelteter »

fernie wrote: post #231
dessimus wrote: post #172

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>The US is a huge economy with a massive military infrastructure. Yeah, because famously neither Rome nor Spain nor England had massive military infrastructures for their times.

The fall of Rome took like 400 years...

Life moves much faster now.

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Post by fainpul »

karussell wrote: post #239
fainpul wrote: post #169

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EVs are only quiet when driving very slowly. At about 50 km/h (30 mph) they are pretty much the same as ICE cars. What's the general speed limit where you are?

City speeds are way below 50kmh (even below 30kmh in most cities!) and ICE cars are a lot louder when accelerating. So I'd love to see more EVs in our city too. Especially in winter days when the motors are not (yet) warm enough to clean the exhaust gas...

> City speeds are way below 50kmh (even below 30kmh in most cities!)

You mean during rush hour, right? Else please tell me where, because it's certainly not in most cities.

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Post by caminante »

mbgerring wrote: post #248
caminante wrote: post #178

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> Solar and batteries have been and will continue to he the cheapest source of power, and globally, deployment is accelerating. I think storage is great and solar has a place, but this is not true unless you discard reliability and other features, which should be in the price. Solar plus storage for baseload power matching requires huge overbuilds. Even in the last few years, before the AI hype, installed utility sca…

Why would you need to “discard reliability”? What do you think storage is for? People have been saying that solar will never work for my entire life, and my entire career in clean energy, as I have watched it grow and grow and grow and grow. You’re right that the interconnect queue is broken. Many, many people are working on this problem. Believing that an extremely tractable bureaucratic hurdle means that solar can’…

No, solar reliability requires overbuild and storage to compare accurately on LCOE. Hybrid and overbuild = expensive, so not "cheap/er", which you said.

A lot of people have this misconception about solar even with awareness of the duck curve.

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