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BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by jrjeksjd8d »

nxm wrote: post #141
roryobrien wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PHEV is the absolute way to go. Next car is 100% going to be this. I rented two EV's and had serious stress about charging in locations I wasn't familiar with. All the different plug types and speeds was also not helpful. PHEV is a great gateway into full EV.

PHEV are too expensive due to a large battery and ICE onboard. Mild hybrid is the way to go

Maybe in a vacuum, but thanks to government incentives it was cheaper to get a PHEV and most of my trips are covered by home charging.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by throwaway-11-1 »

jimbokun wrote: post #92
tlogan wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with many of these EVs is that they were way too expensive. The main reason companies were producing them is due to regulatory requirements and how emissions standards are calculated, not necessarily because wanted to sell these EVs. What we really need are incentives for companies to build more affordable EVs. California could play a role here, but given the strong opinions we have about Elon Musk, nothi…

Or just allow Chinese EVs without tariffs. Would be incredible for US auto consumers. But might put some of our automakers out of business.

I don’t care about US brands, let Xiaomi and BYD run those factories. Just let me have a YU-7 for the love of god!

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by jrjeksjd8d »

jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #3

I finally put my money where my mouth is and bought a PHEV. In the past month I've done all my errands around town exclusively on battery power (30-40 miles per charge) from a home L1 charger. I know EV purists will complain about the complexity of maintaining the gas engine, but this hits the perfect sweet spot for me - it doesn't weigh a million tons, it cost under 40k new, and the one weekend a month when I need t…

To summarize replies:

- I don't want to own 2 cars. Over 10 years I'm skeptical that the TCO would be less for 2 used cars than 1 new Toyota.

- With incentives the PHEV was less expensive than a mild hybrid, and I do use L1 charging to get the full range every night.

- I guess I could have bought a used EV and put in an L2 charger. New EVs were out of my price range. There's a lot more research involved in buying a new EV and I didn't want to go that deep to avoid a lemon.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by expedition32 »

crooked-v wrote: post #127
linuxhansl wrote: post #64

How much many more wars over gas or oil do we need to finally just take the energy that (for the most part) is available locally and renewable?! The petrol era is coming to an end. Our current administration might desperately want to remain a petrol state (for reasons that escape me), but it will only delay the inevitable. The EU is not much better either. The writing has been on the wall, and even since the Russian…

> for reasons that escape me The reasons are simple: liberals want renewable energy, therefore renewable energy is bad and must be destroyed. It's oppositional defiant disorder on a cultural scale.

America has their own Cultural Revolution!

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Post by foxglacier »

paxys wrote: post #31

Genius strategy by the USA to disincentivize EVs, disincentivize solar and wind, increase dependency on oil & gas, and...start a war that makes oil and gas more expensive for everyone. Markets are now forecasting oil prices will stay above $100 a barrel for multiple years . Best of luck to the economy.

War with Iran was inevitable - either US/Israel starts it or Iran starts it - when they get the upper hand. And that war was bound to disrupt oil supply. Don't forget their goal is death to America and Death to Israel. That's what they've been arming themselves for for decades. That's what they're trying to build nuclear bombs for. They had to be stopped eventually and that was always going to be uncomfortable for whoever did it, but the sooner the better. Why can't you just celebrate this good thing?

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Post by WarmWash »

Marsymars wrote: post #83
louwrentius wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still feel that PHEVs combine the worst parts of both worlds. The battery of a PHEV is relatively small and will be strained much more (as compared to an EV), especially if you drive a lot in EV modus. PHEV batteries tend to wear out faster for this reason. This drives up cost of ownership. Then you still have the maintenance / cost of the ICE drivetrain. It does not make sense to me. I feel that a lot of people bu…

> The battery of a PHEV is relatively small and will be strained much more (as compared to an EV), especially if you drive a lot in EV modus. PHEV batteries tend to wear out faster for this reason. This drives up cost of ownership. With appropriate battery management, this doesn't really drive up the cost, it just moves the depreciation curve around. Think of it from the other side - with an EV, you're paying up fron…

Toyota did a study and found that pretty much no one who owns a PHEV ever plugs it in. I know you qualified with with "proper battery management", but the reality is most people will be lazy and cannot be bothered.

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Post by stavros »

crooked-v wrote: post #184
stavros wrote: post #97

Guys I own a BYD and love it, but oil prices have risen in the past, like, two days. Perhaps the headline is a bit sensationalized?

For what it's worth, I feel like it's perfectly logical to make any current new car purchase choices taking into account the US history of Middle East forever wars and that the Strait of Hormuz will probably be a deathtrap for years at this point.

Oh definitely agree, and that's part of why I wanted to by an EV, but there simply hasn't been enough time since the Iran invasion to see it affect sales numbers.

Re: BYD is seeing a flood of new EV buyers

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Post by drcongo »

doug_durham wrote: post #100
jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #3

I finally put my money where my mouth is and bought a PHEV. In the past month I've done all my errands around town exclusively on battery power (30-40 miles per charge) from a home L1 charger. I know EV purists will complain about the complexity of maintaining the gas engine, but this hits the perfect sweet spot for me - it doesn't weigh a million tons, it cost under 40k new, and the one weekend a month when I need t…

I own both a PHEV and EV. I really don't like driving the PHEV because the performance goes to crap at 40 miles when the gas motor kicks in. Once you are in ICE mode you are driving a loud poorly performing car. In rural areas I think PHEVs are fine.

That sounds like you just bought a really poor choice of PHEV. I've got a PHEV DS 7 and the performance is essentially identical on ICE or EV. Combined with the sound proofing, I've never even noticed the car switch between the two modes.

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Post by WarmWash »

jrjeksjd8d wrote: post #3

I finally put my money where my mouth is and bought a PHEV. In the past month I've done all my errands around town exclusively on battery power (30-40 miles per charge) from a home L1 charger. I know EV purists will complain about the complexity of maintaining the gas engine, but this hits the perfect sweet spot for me - it doesn't weigh a million tons, it cost under 40k new, and the one weekend a month when I need t…

I'll throw my hat in the ring of rage:

PHEVs are (largely) for consumers who don't understand how EVs work (but think they do) and are too scared of having to sit in their car and charge for an hour anytime they leave the town perimeter.

In reality with most EVs, you can drive 500 miles with one 30 minute charge. That's 7 hours of driving at 65mph, and one 30 minute charge. I know everyone claims to be a psychopath driver who never stops on a road trip for more than 5 minutes every 7 hours when they learn this, but the reality is you don't even notice the charging stop. Unlike gas pumps, it's the norm to leave your car on the charger while you go do something else (eat, sight see, shop, w/e).

It's only really trips that are >500 miles where this starts to become apparent. Or on trips through remote areas. Or having no idea how EVs work, driving till you're almost empty, then deciding it's time to get off the highway and find a charger.

The consumer segment that actually needs PHEVs is incredibly small, but the segment that thinks they need them is huge, hence the market.

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Post by foxglacier »

crooked-v wrote: post #184
stavros wrote: post #97

Guys I own a BYD and love it, but oil prices have risen in the past, like, two days. Perhaps the headline is a bit sensationalized?

For what it's worth, I feel like it's perfectly logical to make any current new car purchase choices taking into account the US history of Middle East forever wars and that the Strait of Hormuz will probably be a deathtrap for years at this point.

Sounds like a belief that you can easily profit from in the markets. Are you putting your money where your mouth is or do you just want to believe that so you can feel smug about your beliefs, independent of reality?
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