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Post by xnx »

xnorswap wrote: post #99
voodooEntity wrote: post #39

So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. I don't say it doesn't "work" or serves a purpose - but well i read so much about this beein an "actual intelligence" and stuff that i had to look into the source. As someone who spends actually a definately to big portion of his free time researching thought process replication and related topics in the realm of "AI" this is not really…

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

> waiting in the background

Waiting for someone to ask it to do something?

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Post by geek_slop »

lode wrote: post #67

I tried it out yesterday, after reading the enthousiastic article at https://www.macstories.net/stories/clawdbot-showed-me-what-t... Setting it up was easy enough, but just as I was about to start linking it to some test accounts, I noticed I already had blown through about $5 of Claude tokens in half an hour, and deleted the VPS immediately. Then today I saw this follow up: https://mastodon.macstories.net/@viticci/1…

I had the same problem. Ask Clawdbot to optimize token usage. It cut my usage in half.

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #34

Okay whether its clawdbot or moltbot or openclaw Literally the top 2 HN posts are about this. Either it having book, or the first comment on it showing it create religion or now this. Can we stop all of this hype around Clawdbot itself? Even HN is vulnerable to it.

Edit: looked more at openclaw

Its pretty cool fwiw, the author feels nice but the community still has lots of hype.

I now mean this comment to mean that I am not against clawdbot itself but all the literal hype surrounding it ykwim.

I talked about it with someone in openclaw community itself in discord but I feel like teh AI bubble is pretty soon to collapse if information's travelling/the phenomenon which is openclaw is taking place in the first place.

I feel like much of its promotions/hype came from twitter. I really hate how twitter algorithmic has so much power in general. I hope we all move to open source mastodon/bluesky.

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Post by browningstreet »

turnsout wrote: post #236
browningstreet wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love to see even a filtered version of it. I've been doing very similar things with an "everything" database. That's been my own personal northstar. BTW, OpenCode has free Kimi (I haven't hit a quota yet) right now and it's done pretty great things for me in the last 24 hours.

Oh interesting—how do you find OpenCode vs CC? I'll check it out. And I'll try to get a version of this assistant in a form I could share publicly.

They're neck and neck for me, in terms of PRDs, coding, and web searching. CC built the bulk of my current project, I did a lot of analysis of it with Antigravity (the interface is esp good for reviewing/commenting on long .md output files) and then, after building a simple roadmap of v2 features, OpenCode + Kimi was the most aggressive about running in a fairly autonomous manner and finishing the items on said roadmap. OC was also pretty hardcore about misinterpreting a limit I expressed earlier in one context as a limitation in another context -- which was fine, I'd rather say "no, really, you can go do that, I'm giving you permission and here's what I meant before" than find out it was too brazen.

It's a lot like managing two experienced mid- to sr- engineers each of whom have slightly different personalities and intro/extro verted personalities. CC has more personality but OC wants to race. They can both code, but for disparate tasks you might pick the personality and posture of one person over the other.

I find myself picking daily tasks based on which of the tools I'm in the mood to sit with. But across a few days I sit with all three.

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Post by jmathai »

fnordlord wrote: post #179
jmathai wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you all enabling auto reload for personal projects? I load $20 at a time and wait for it to break and add more.

Can you get meaningful work done with CC at $20 at a time? I load $20 at a time onto the API for general chatting purposes and it lasts a few months at a time. I've always avoided trying CC because I got the impression people were burning $100+/mo, which is beyond my personal hobby budget.

For Claude Code, I now pay the $20/mo subscription for pro because I was spending more using it via API credits.

Even if I had to reload manually very often, I still would not enable auto reload. These APIs are crazy expensive and I'm not looking for a surprise bill.

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Post by mlyle »

colecut wrote: post #201
ilitirit wrote: post #193

I understand what this does. I don't get the hype, but there are obviously 1000s of people who do. Who are these people? What is the analog for this corner of the market? Context: I'm a 47y/o developer who has seen and done most of the common and not-so-common things in software development. This segment reminds me of the hoards of npm evangelists back in the day who lauded the idea that you could download packages t…

A very small percentage of people know how to set up a cronjob. They can now combine cronjobs and LLMs with a single human sentence. This is huge for normies. Not so much if you already had strong development skills. EDIT: But you are correct in the assessment that people who don't know better will use it to do simple things that could be done millions of times more efficiently.. I made a chatbot at my company where…

Hmm.

You know, building infrastructure to hook to some API or to dig through email or whatever-- it's a pain. And it's gotten harder. My old pile of procmail rules + spamassassin wouldn't work for the task anymore. Maintaining todos in text files has its high points and low points. And I have to be the person to notice patterns and do things myself.

Having some kind of agent as an assistant to do stuff, and not having to manage brittle infrastructure myself, sounds appealing. Accessibility from my phone through iMessage: ditto.

I haven't used it yet, but it's definitely captured my interest.

> He would have saved time looking at the table it gets its data from, using a calculator.

The hard thing is always remembering where that table is and restoring context. Big stuff is still often better done without an intermediary; being able to lob a question to an agent and maybe get an answer is huge.

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Post by fmbb »

xnorswap wrote: post #99
voodooEntity wrote: post #39

So i feel like this might be the most overhyped project in the past longer time. I don't say it doesn't "work" or serves a purpose - but well i read so much about this beein an "actual intelligence" and stuff that i had to look into the source. As someone who spends actually a definately to big portion of his free time researching thought process replication and related topics in the realm of "AI" this is not really…

I've long said that the next big jump in "AI" will be proactivity. So far everything has been reactive. You need to engage a prompt, you need to ask Siri or ask claude to do something. It can be very powerful once prompted, but it still requires prompting. You always need to ask. Having something always waiting in the background that can proactively take actions and get your attention is a genuine game-changer. Wheth…

> it still requires prompting

How else would it even work?

AI is LLM is (very good) autocomplete.

If there is no prompt how would it know what to complete?

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