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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by heavyset_go »

dmantis wrote: post #200
chii wrote: post #25

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> they think the audience is now fully captive. the audience is captive. Do you have a choice to move from android, if you didnt want to have an apple device? Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own). Is there another browser other than chrome (and dont say firefox or edge - because both don'…

Why are saying that Firefox or even Chrome reskin can't compete with Chrome? I haven't been using Chrome for maybe 10 years or more, so I'm genuinely interested. Even if you hate Firefox, something like Brave is felt the same way but without google's garbage. I heard there are new guys in town like Helium and other Chromium based browser which choose to remove telemetry, support manifest v2, adblocks and so on. The b…

The most compelling argument I've heard is around security, while Firefox does sandboxing, it is not as comprehensive as what went into Chrome.

I'd still choose Firefox over it for the reasons you've mentioned.

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Post by B1FIDO »

glenstein wrote: post #241
B1FIDO wrote: post #188

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The inconvenient fact that bursts this bubble is that installing already is the default term, and it's the emergence of "side loading" which is the anachronistic attempt to redefine the term. The idea that a precondition for something to count is installing is that it's vetted by a big company is the abberation, and the notion that it's trustworthy is belied by the avalanche of unsafe and privacy violating apps that…

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Post by manuelabeledo »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #103
AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

> Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Well no, Chinese phones are above Apple material-wise (better battery, better cameras, better cooling) and on par SoC-wise since last year. That's what makes Google's strategy so baffling. > Apple has better app selection (for most people). It's entirely the same. I have gone back and forth regularly for the past 10 years. Android is completely on par app-wise. Apple…

How are they on par SoC-wise? Last time I checked, Qualcomm was still trying to catch up to Apple.

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Post by sigmar »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

>Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees to a competitor to access.

What? Are you referring to the 36% of ad revenue Google pays to Apple? I don't think Google is too concerned about that.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/11/14/apple-gets-36percent-of-goog...

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Post by manuelabeledo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #236
manuelabeledo wrote: post #218

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The iOS YouTube app is not worse than the one in Android. Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least, there is one more app to choose (Messages). And I’m curious to know what makes Antenna Pod so much better than the thousands of other podcast apps out there. Social media apps have historically been worse in Android, because of lax app and privacy controls. > What else is there, where is the advantage? P…

> Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least Since some updates ago, my keyboard is still broken if I type too fast, and autocorrect been essentially broken for the same amount of time. Must be happening for ~years now, still waiting for a new update to finally fix it. At least on Android you can change the keyboard to something else if you'd like, instead of being stuck with what your OS developer force…

Hasn’t happened to me, but I guess that you could always install a third party keyboard. Both Microsoft and Google have offerings in the App Store.

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Post by ThatMedicIsASpy »

jacquesm wrote: post #20
AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

Why the surprise, they do the same with search, they do the same with their Google workspace (the degree to which they are pushing AI is really hurting the product). Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago, they are so arrogant they think the audience is now fully captive.

I can't remember a youtube change that did not degrade my experience on their platform.

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Post by anymouse123456 »

AlotOfReading wrote: post #12

Google's long term strategy with Android is baffling to me. Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Apple has higher consumer trust. Apple has better app selection (for most people). Apple has been increasingly implementing the core features that differentiate Android devices, like USB-C and RCS. Every Android user lost to the increasing iOS market share is another customer Google has to pay exorbitant fees t…

It’s incredibly sad to watch Google abandon the values that inspired so much trust and belief that there is a better way to build a company.

Long time Pixel user here who has always believed the story that Apple has the closed, but refined, higher quality experience and Google has the slightly freer, but coarser UX.

I was convinced to make the switch this year and the Apple iPhone 17 Pro + whatever iOS version is, by far the worst phone I’ve ever owned.

Photos are worse, low light is worse, macros are worse, the UI is laggy, buggy and crashes.

The keyboard and autosuggest is shockingly bad.

Incredibly popular apps on iOS (YT, X, etc) are just as bad and often worse.

iMessage is a psyop. The absolute worst messaging app in history with zero desktop access for non-Mac users?!

If you’re on Android, and especially pixel, please know that Apple has completely given up and no longer executes at the level you remember from 10-15 years ago.

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Post by fc417fc802 »

fruitworks wrote: post #240
KolmogorovComp wrote: post #208

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> Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in no way better. What else is there, where is the advantage? This is incorrect. The IOS versions of social media apps extract way less data from the device than on android, and is thus more privacy friendly. Sure the best way would be for people not to use them, but if you "have" to, then it's better to use those on IOS.

In what manner do they extract less data

Unless you're running Graphene or a similar security minded distro the sandboxing isn't very good. Okay let's be honest it's fairly abysmal at preventing fingerprinting. It could almost be accused of not even bothering to try.

But one example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43518866

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Post by vbezhenar »

criddell wrote: post #211
ben_w wrote: post #134

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> iOS apps tend to be more stable, better polished It's been a while since I was last using Android, but first-party Apple apps no longer meet my standards for "polished". e.g. type this sequence into the calculator: [2] [-] [4] [=] [x²] [=] The answer should not be negative, but the app says "-4". The desktop Contacts app has been putting invisible LTR and RTL codes around phone numbers for years now, breaking web f…

> The answer should not be negative, but the app says "-4". When I do those exact keypresses I get the correct answer.

When I do those exact keypresses I also get "-4".

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Post by ece »

If auto-updating apps stops working on fdroid, I'll be installing Graphene, Lineage or taking a shot at something like postmarket/ubuntu touch/plasma mobile. I've used Lineage as a daily driver before for a while, so I'll probably just go back to that and tell developers to support the platform I'm using. It doesn't rent seek on developers or users.
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