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Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android

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Post by mystifyingpoi »

londons_explore wrote: post #30
silisili wrote: post #14

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I have a feeling, despite Google's communications, this is all an attempt to thwart the numerous ad-free YouTube apps. Another reason it should have been broken apart years ago. It's laughable that the biggest ad company in the world owns the largest video site in the world, largest browser in the world, largest search engine in the world, and largest mobile OS in the world.

If google push too hard, someone will make a "youtube mirror" - ie. a complete copy of youtube at a different domain. The actual data could be hosted p2p across all the users devices, and any missing data retrieved one-time-only from real youtube servers.

> The actual data could be hosted p2p across all the users devices

Sounds like a Pied Piper app.

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Post by goldenarm »

Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right.

Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

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Post by heavyset_go »

chii wrote: post #25
jacquesm wrote: post #20

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Why the surprise, they do the same with search, they do the same with their Google workspace (the degree to which they are pushing AI is really hurting the product). Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago, they are so arrogant they think the audience is now fully captive.

> they think the audience is now fully captive. the audience is captive. Do you have a choice to move from android, if you didnt want to have an apple device? Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own). Is there another browser other than chrome (and dont say firefox or edge - because both don'…

> Is there another browser other than chrome (and dont say firefox or edge - because both don't compete)?

Can I run an ad blocker in Android's Chrome? I can in Firefox

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Post by B1FIDO »

goldenarm wrote: post #182

Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

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Post by trinix912 »

deaux wrote: post #173
trinix912 wrote: post #166

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I'm talking about the Google services which is where Google profits. Chinese phones ship without them. When I said "Google's Android", I meant Android+Google Services. The people buying cheap Android phones are most likely not buying Pixels. Even Samsungs aren't exactly cheap anymore. I'm not talking about Android forks. I'm talking about customized Android without Google services. The biggest Android market (interna…

Chinese phones sold in China ship without Google services. Chinese phones sold outside of China include them.

That's false. The ones you can get here in Slovenia don't have them. I've personally helped quite a few friends sideload them. I also remember how shocked people were to find out there's no YouTube or Play Store after buying a Huawei or Xiaomi phone when that first came into effect.

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Post by goldenarm »

B1FIDO wrote: post #184
goldenarm wrote: post #182

Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

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That is my own opinion as an Android developer and ex custom ROM maintainer, I've not read that blog post.

Instead of ad-hominem, can you explain what do you really disagree on?

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Post by realusername »

MrDresden wrote: post #24

When this whole thing got announced, I purchased a new Pixel 9 and flashed it with GrapheneOS. I am hoping that in about 6-8 years (when I realistically need to update) the landscape might be a bit better. Or who knows, maybe I'll just continue using GrapheneOS. So far I have not had a single issues with it. Apps the rely on attestation do not work, but honestly it's only two applications out of hundreds so I can liv…

My next phone will be on GrapheneOS or EOS as well, the last straw was Samsung removing the bootloader unlock with an update (not even sure what they've done is legal)

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Post by B1FIDO »

goldenarm wrote: post #186
B1FIDO wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That is my own opinion as an Android developer and ex custom ROM maintainer, I've not read that blog post. Instead of ad-hominem, can you explain what do you really disagree on?

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Post by Macha »

pmlnr wrote: post #153
juliie wrote: post #141

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Can I install my banking apps? Is there a Google pay equivalent? As much as I want open source, I really don't think it's there yet for most people.

> Can I install my banking apps? Choose a bank with viable web banking. > Is there a Google pay equivalent? It's called a debit/credit card.

> Choose a bank with viable web banking.

There are five options in my country, 3 of which require app push based 2FA to log into the web interface and 2 of which only have an app interfere.

Maybe I could get a EU bank from another EU country but my employer will not accept an out of country account for salary deposits because it makes their tax life difficult and my mortgage provider doesn't trust foreign accounts either.

> It's called a debit/credit card

Since about two years ago, activating a card requires the app.

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Post by carlosjobim »

chii wrote: post #25
jacquesm wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why the surprise, they do the same with search, they do the same with their Google workspace (the degree to which they are pushing AI is really hurting the product). Google stopped being aware of their customer's needs a really long time ago, they are so arrogant they think the audience is now fully captive.

> they think the audience is now fully captive. the audience is captive. Do you have a choice to move from android, if you didnt want to have an apple device? Do you want to use a different search engine other than google? Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own). Is there another browser other than chrome (and dont say firefox or edge - because both don'…

>Do you want to use a different search engine other than google?

Yes, type yahoo.com into your browser, or install an app. Non-technical people love installing apps on their phones.

>Is there another email provider than gmail (for the non-technical person - i know you can run your own).

Yes, there are hundreds of good e-mail providers to use instead of Gmail. Easy for the non-technical person to use.

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