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Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by graemep »

pessimizer wrote: post #221
graemep wrote: post #70

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The cookie law made this worse. I used to use an extension that let me whitelist which sites could set cookies (which was pretty much those I wanted to login to). I had to stop using it because I had to allow the cookie preference cookies on too many sites.

You can fix that. I use an extension called "I don't care about cookies" that clicks "yes" to all cookies on all websites, and I use another extension* that doesn't allow any cookies to be set unless I whitelist the site, and I can do this finely even e.g. to the point where I accept a cookie from one page to get to the next page, then drop it, and drop the entire site from even that whitelist when I leave the page,…

I use the first of those extensions, its the cookie whitelist one that no longer works for me.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by shadowgovt »

jdasdf wrote: post #120
danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

> clearer safe harbors for small actors Different rules for different people huh? Just because you like the group you're benefiting and dislike the group you're harming doesn't mean that is good policy.

It could, however, be good policy independent of personal preference.

I like folks who have to work for a living and dislike billionaires relaxing on yachts bought on their generational wealth, but in addition sociology metrics of the United States in the past 100 years suggest that the highest levels of happiness correlated pretty heavily with marginal tax rates as high as 100% based on wealth.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by cael450 »

clickety_clack wrote: post #235
danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

So “smart rules” only means “more rules”? Smart rule making includes reducing the regulatory burden when it overreaches. The weight of regulation around tech in the EU is creating an environment such that the only companies that can operate in a space are the ones who can afford massive compliance overhead. That leaves you with the very same big tech firms that people are writing these rules to protect themselves fro…

Well, yeah, they were written to prevent at least some of the privacy abuse from those big tech companies, not to get rid of them. Sometimes the answer is more rules, such as rules protecting smaller businesses while continuing to place regulatory burdens on the tech giants, who are responsible for the most egregious invasions of privacy.

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Post by ljm »

danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

Putting conditional logic in legislation still benefits big companies, if it still requires legal expertise to unpack all of the complexity added to the law. GDPR is a mess exactly because of this, and so is the UK’s ridiculous OSA. It’s loopholes and malicious compliance all the way down.

Ignoring that, the other problem is enforcement. Is it not unrealistic to have a law that says “if you have a data breach you are subject to a penalty?” And “if you fail to report that breach the penalty can go as far as corporate death or executive incarceration?”

Or even more simply - replace the wrist-slapping fines with criminal charges and imprisonment.

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Post by pseudalopex »

legitster wrote: post #153
aurareturn wrote: post #10

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So they finally admit that it was a mistake. Even EU government websites had annoying giant cookie banners. Yet, some how the vast majority of HN comments defend the cookie banners saying if you don't do anything "bad" then you don't need the banners.

> Yet, some how the vast majority of HN comments defend the cookie banners saying if you don't do anything "bad" then you don't need the banners. There are a LOT of shades of gray when it comes to website tracking and HN commenters refuse to deal with nuance. Imagine running a store, and then I ask you how many customers you had yesterday and what they are looking at. "I don't watch the visitors - it's unnecessary an…

> Imagine running a store, and then I ask you how many customers you had yesterday and what they are looking at.

Server logs can provide this information.

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Post by legitster »

pseudalopex wrote: post #256
legitster wrote: post #153

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> Yet, some how the vast majority of HN comments defend the cookie banners saying if you don't do anything "bad" then you don't need the banners. There are a LOT of shades of gray when it comes to website tracking and HN commenters refuse to deal with nuance. Imagine running a store, and then I ask you how many customers you had yesterday and what they are looking at. "I don't watch the visitors - it's unnecessary an…

> Imagine running a store, and then I ask you how many customers you had yesterday and what they are looking at. Server logs can provide this information.

Not for the amount of stuff on the web now that is client-side rendered.

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Post by pants2 »

gruez wrote: post #210
pants2 wrote: post #209

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Why did you use an LLM to write a comment?

What makes you think it's LLM generated?

Brand new account with 4 rapid & likely LLM comments, directional quotation marks, and common ChatGPT-isms such as "that does X without doing Y"

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by xvector »

Manfred wrote: post #126
rafaelmn wrote: post #111

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You can't build large ML models without swaths of data, and GDPR is the antitheses of collecting data. Therefore countries/companies that don't have to abide by it are at an obvious advantage. If anything this is coming from political elite being convinced that AI research is a critical topic, EU recognizing it's weak because of the self-imposed handicaps and trying to move past that. I'd be shocked if we manage to d…

The GDPR is about protecting personal data, what personal data could you possibly need to train an AI model?

Let's turn that around. What personal data wouldn't help train an AI model?
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