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Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by NalNezumi »

GardenLetter27 wrote: post #49
radicalbyte wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There has been a change in the community here over the last decade, we've lost a lot of the hacker spirit and have a larger proportion of "chancers", people who are only in tech to "get rich quick". The legacy of ZIRP combined with The Social Network marketing.

Hackers should know the government is never on your side.

A hacker should probably know that it's usually trade offs and blanket statements are very useless. Certain tools are good for certain tasks and situations, but bad for others. No free lunch and all that.

If you make that blanket statement, you're definitely not a hacker (or just a novice). But you'd make a heck of a politician or tech bro salesman

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by port11 »

schnitzelstoat wrote: post #5

> One change that’s likely to please almost everyone is a reduction in Europe’s ubiquitous cookie banners and pop-ups. Under the new proposal, some “non-risk” cookies won’t trigger pop-ups at all, and users would be able to control others from central browser controls that apply to websites broadly. Finally!

Truly non-risk cookies were already exempt from the cookie banner. In fact, the obnoxious consent-forcing cookie banners are themselves in violation of the law. It's ironic that instead of enforcement we dumb it all down for the data grabbers. And most of them non-European to boot, so clearly this is amazing for the EU tech ecosystem.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by kragen »

mikece wrote: post #22

How about this as a privacy law: if you collect data about people without their EXPLICIT permission[1] you can be charged with digital stalking. Same principle as stalking; escalating penalties for repeat offenses and for doing so in bulk or en masse. EDIT: And you cannot share information gained by permitted collection unless EXPLICIT permission to share is granted. [1] Eg: it's not sufficient to disclose this in eq…

Your proposed law would mostly be used against people who were publicizing the criminal record of the mayor's nominee for police chief or the ruling party's nominee for mayor.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by nonethewiser »

croes wrote: post #187
nonethewiser wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you comply with the current requirements without cookie banners? Why would EU governments use cookie banners if they are just nonsense meant to degrade approval of GDPR?

Don’t track your site visitors. No tracking, no banner. Or respect the now deprecated DNT flag, no banner necessary. Now we get DNT 2.0 and the website owner will once again maliciously comply.

OK sounds great.

But some companies prefer to have trackers. They are required by GDPR to explain each cookie and offer a control for permissions. They probably had trackers before GDPR too. So how is that malicious compliance? They are just operating how they did before except now they are observing GDPR.

It sounds like maybe you just want them to ban trackers. Or for people to care more about trackers and stop using websites with trackers (thereby driving down trackers) Great. Those are all great. But none of them happened and none of that is dictated by GDPR.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by vouwfietsman »

veltas wrote: post #165
andrepd wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In literally no place in the world are the rules the same for running a multinational or running a lemonade stand. I feel this should be obvious.

In almost every developed country the rules are exactly the same. No hairnet, no licence? Lemonade Stand Ltd can and will be shut down. The main difference is lenience in punishment which tends to tail off and disappear at the lemonade stand scale, and be stricter for large multinationals. I wish you were right though.

I'm not sure how you got to this conclusion. The answer is a simple google away: smaller companies face lower taxes, lower standards of documentation on health & safety, don't need work councils, less reporting on workspace/financials, etc etc etc.

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Post by alwa »

rat9988 wrote: post #192
Swenrekcah wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not different rules for different people. You would be subject to one rule for your small company and another rule as it grows. This is everywhere in society, from expectation difference between babies, kids, teenagers, adults and seniors and to tax bracket structures.

This is different for different people said differently. Why would small companies have access to things not allowed to big companies?

Yes, it is—gp’s point being we do that all the time and often agree that it makes sense.

A baby doesn’t catch a sex pest charge for running around naked, but it also can’t get a gun license. A mom-n-pop doesn’t have to hire an auditor and file with the SEC, but it also can’t sell shares of itself to the public.

Why? The bigger you are, the more responsibility you bear: the bigger the impact of your mistakes, the subtler the complexities of your operation, the greater your sophistication relative to individual customers/citizens—and the greater your relative capacity to self-regulate.

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Post by Spivak »

bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

Well yeah, the GPDR was great in theory and a huge win for privacy advocates until it did jack shit in practice. It turned out to have zero teeth and everyone just found ways to keep business as usual while 'complying' with the law.

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by geraneum »

bitpush wrote: post #16

Incredible to see the 180 both from EU and also from the HN sentiment. HN was cheering on as EU went after Big Tech companies, especially Meta. Meta is no perfect company, but the amount of 'please stick it to them' was strong (I reckon that is still a bridge too far for a lot of folks here). Even extreme proponents of big tech villanery in the US (Lina Khan's FTC) is also facing losses (They just lost their monument…

> What I really want to see is Meta getting irrelevant ON MERIT.

Why? Is META relevant only on merit?

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by pants2 »

danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

Why did you use an LLM to write a comment?

Re: Europe is scaling back GDPR and relaxing AI laws

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Post by gruez »

pants2 wrote: post #209
danishSuri1994 wrote: post #110

I sympathize with the startup argument: heavy compliance costs can stifle early innovation. But the solution shouldn’t be “weaker rules.” It should be smarter rules, clearer safe harbors for small actors, browser-level consent primitives for users, and stronger enforcement against dark-pattern CMPs. That keeps privacy meaningful without killing small businesses.

Why did you use an LLM to write a comment?

What makes you think it's LLM generated?
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