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Post by ocdtrekkie »

pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in the Chicago area and can confirm. Landscapers are afraid to work because they keep getting abducted off people's lawns. Out in the suburbs, a roofing crew was abducted mid-roof replacement, ICE left a hole in someone's house trying to abduct people working for a living.

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Post by testing22321 »

themafia wrote: post #189
roxolotl wrote: post #149

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Did you read the article? Not wanting to visit countries where secret police are rounding people up, regardless of citizenship, seems like a reasonable opinion.

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Yes, the US is a country of immigrants. Built by people from all over the world.

There’s even a massive statue near some famous city welcoming immigrants.

Are you so xenophobic you missed this?

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Post by mystraline »

chasil wrote: post #249
hypeatei wrote: post #120

A news station producer was arrested by ICE and the agents peeled away ripping off someone's bumper[0][1] just for her to be released later without charges. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/oct/14/chicago-ice-... 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLGI2hMaz5Q

I would say that any U.S. citizen living in an area of focus who is even vaguely latino and/or does not speak English well should obtain a U.S. "passport card" and carry it on their person at all times, as a federally issued ID. It's $65 for the first application, and $30 at renewals. In this context, the passport card is much more valuable than a state-issued ID. You know if your children should have them. A real pa…

When the "do you belong here? " is a non-sarcastic adaptation of the Family guy skin color meme, no amount of 'proper IDs' will do shit.

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/family-guy-skin-color-chart

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

fujigawa wrote: post #207
tptacek wrote: post #167

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I live in Oak Park, just outside Chicago (and adjacent to Broadview, where the major regional ICE detention center is). We have daily ICE sitings, and approximately every-other-day ICE detentions or arrests. It's a constant presence. What it means psychologically depends. If you're someone who could visually be mistaken (perhaps in bad faith) for a Latino, it's a very big problem. ICE/DHS routinely stops people based…

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Or people actually like and care about the people they transact with whether their grass gets mowed next week or not. Yeah, for some well off suburban folks, their closest impact might be someone who works for them. Doesn't mean they don't care.

(And frankly, I'd rather my money goes to someone who really needs the money, not a corporate service.)

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Post by lurk2 »

testing22321 wrote: post #244
lurk2 wrote: post #232

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There are plenty of legal US citizens being abducted. From TFA: US citizens, including women and children, were grabbed from their beds, marched outside without even a chance to dress, zip-tied, and loaded into vans.

If we assume the reporting in the linked video was accurate, you’re at most talking about unlawful detention and 4th amendment violations. No one with legal status to reside in the country was reported to have disappeared in the way you are implying.

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Post by WillEngler »

nemo44x wrote: post #240
WillEngler wrote: post #219

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This is a common objection I hear raised, so I think it's good that you raised it here. Respectfully, I think there is a lot of rhetorical slippage in your argument. First, I did not support the very loose amnesty policy, but I also don't support ICE teargassing the grocery store parking lot outside of my old apartment in Logan Square. In any case I don't think one's opinion on the first thing should disqualify them…

What is the precise qualification for which illegal alien is permitted and which one is deported? Opposition should propose legislation that allows migrant workers to easily obtain visas and return home and come back next year. This is how it was until the 1960s when that system was killed.

> What is the precise qualification for which illegal alien is permitted and which one is deported?

I don't think I raised choosing who gets to stay and who gets deported. My big objection to the current sweeps is that they function as a dragnet where they are detaining and questioning anyone who appears Mexican/Venezuelan/etc. Generally American citizens and permanent residents get released within an hour or so, but I still think that is intolerable. For example, there was a young woman who was ethnically Latina, but was adopted by a white family so she had an anglo-sounding last name like Smith. She was keeping papers on her, knowing the sweeps were happening. She was detained and when she presented her papers the agents didn't believe that someone who looked like her could have that last name so they kept her detained for an hour or so. I think that is an erosion of my constitutional liberties and yours.

But to try and get at your question, there are lots of legislative changes I would like to see (like this: https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/497...). You may not support pathways to citizenship for long-time peaceful and productive residents. I think it's orthogonal to the current cruel and unconstitutional deportation tactics.

Do you think clergy should be allowed to administer the Eucharist to detainees at Broadview? To me their refusal to allow that is emblematic of how they are deliberately being cruel. (I am trying to answer your questions directly, if you would humor me and answer one of mine.)

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Post by digdugdirk »

tptacek wrote: post #226
digdugdirk wrote: post #222

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Curious about the random Kat Abu comment at the end there? I know nothing about her background, but it certainly seems like she's using her campaign to actively help her local community directly and immediately. And in times like these, we could certainly use more political candidates who are willing to be tossed around by DHS. What negatives am I unaware of?

She doesn't represent the district. She picked it off a map, while living in (I think?) DC, hoping to replicate what AOC had done in New York --- knocking off a geriatric institutional Dem in a safe blue district. What really got me was that she moved to Chicago to run for CD9, and didn't even move to the district --- she moved to the Gold Coast (IIRC?), far outside CD9 (which is Rogers Park, Evanston, and the near n…

Good to know, thanks!

One thing to consider though - while I would normally agree with you on the job description of a congressional rep, there are some moments in history where performative-protest-as-candidate can do more good than ill. I think we're in one of those times, and I'm glad she's able to use the congressional platform to put the executive branch's policies and actions on display.

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Post by abuehrle »

pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

In the northern suburbs of Chicago, we often hear helicopters circling. A gardener was taken on my block. The home owner told the masked agent he didn't have permission to be on his property, and the agent pointed a gun at him.

If you suspect anything is exaggerated, you can look to dozens of videos posted online of how these people act and speak. They roll in caravans of unmarked SUVs. Last week they rolled up to an elementary school (https://www.reddit.com/user/rubinass3/comments/1ol319f/ice_d...).

[Here](https://x.com/LongTimeHistory/status/1986936912134000877) is a particularly hard to watch video of ICE tackling a nonverbal man.

Things feel bad to me in a way (I suppose I'm fortunate to be able to say) they haven't until now. I normally can see the "other side" of issues but I can't fathom how this is what anybody wants. I'm angry and I'm sad.

If there's a silver lining, the community is fired up. The mayor of Evanston talked with an awesome woman who was detained while peacefully protesting (https://danielbiss.substack.com/p/daniel-biss-talks-with-det...). It's a weird and sad time.

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Post by gishh »

ssl-3 wrote: post #236
gishh wrote: post #225

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Hmm. Possibly. I predict that California will “go blue” in the presidential elections for at least the rest of my lifetime. Someone who “votes red” in California can say that their vote doesn’t matter, and a reasonable person would understand why they feel that way. You don’t seem like a reasonable person, or you’re also suffering from some nihilistic delusion, possibly.

The most sure method any of us can individually enact to help to ensure that our favored candidate is not elected is to declare that it doesn't matter, and then just give up and not vote. This method is literally an example of nihilism.

So are you saying that, in this instance, understanding your vote doesn’t matters is delusional, or not? You never addressed that.

You latched onto the nihilistic part, which I suppose isn’t surprising.

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