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Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by eviks »

zahrevsky wrote: post #208

> Some time ago (1999-ish) [...] a number of ways to integrate ads were discussed. > One was to show a cool video from a respected company (such as Nike) every time the Mac starts up. [...] This sounds so weird in 2025. However, I can see that probably in those times there was no "norm", and people were trying different things. Who knows, maybe if it weren't for Steve Jobs, ads at startup might be the norm. And who k…

> Who knows, maybe if it weren't for Steve Jobs, ads at startup might be the norm

Are there video ads at startup on Windows? On Android?

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by eviks »

pclowes wrote: post #14
FrankWilhoit wrote: post #9

Jobs's focus on the customer experience was useless because he judged the customer by himself. "Be like me and you will have a good experience" is not clever marketing; it is abuse.

I dunno, for a while it was the most valuable company on the planet. While you might not like his judgment it seems plenty of people did.

So you approve of ads then since it makes the company more valuable?

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by sumedh »

al_borland wrote: post #195
sumedh wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The people who helped them reach that position are probably retired, so the new leadership wants to make more money and leave their own mark.

I have a lot of problems with people like this. Not all marks are worth making. Change for the sake of change or ego is almost always bad. If someone hands me a golden goose I’m not going to enter it in a cock fight. I’d be wise to continue with the golden egg strategy.

I agree but the people who want to climb the corporate ladder usually want to leave their own mark.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by adastra22 »

DarKraD wrote: post #111
gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

The iBooks one situation is the worst for me. Underneaths it’s actually a really good epub reader with the infinite scroll set up. Perfect for one hand reading. The front page got so annoying with all these trashy books that I eventually had to DNS blocking some iTunes/Apple endpoints. And now it just displays my current reading books, the previous titles and the daily goal every time I open iBooks.

Would love to know that block list.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by seec »

ProfessorLayton wrote: post #126
vbezhenar wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean "modern"? I'm using iPhones since 4S and I don't think that Music or iBooks workflow changed, it's largely the same. So probably Steve Jobs was OK with that.

The Music app on iPhones went from simple and usable to an absolute dumpster fire pushing a subscription. Even with a subscription it's incredibly maddening because of the terrible UX and show-stopping bugs (Literally failing at playing music!). The Library tab is now the last one, with the rest (Which are lazy-loaded and slow!) are pushing content much of which is locked behind a subscription. It's now even worse wi…

My favorite "bug" was when that dumb thing refused to play because I forgot to stop playing music on my Mac for whatever reason (sometimes the play was actually stopped, it was just unable to resolve state).

Spotify has other issues, but at least as a streaming player, it is smart enough to tell me when there is something playing somewhere else and it even allows me to keep playing while just switching the output.

If at least they had kept it as a good app to manage local music, but even that has regressed. Don't get me started on suboptimal use of space.

I have a hard time following the Apple advocates, it has become quite bad for the price you pay, there is really no other conclusion that is reasonable.

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by kogepathic »

jmyeet wrote: post #125
gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

I have to rant about search in the App Store. Pick any app you want and search for it. Ideally it has a pretty unique name and not just a dictionary wod. What will you see? The first result will always be an ad for a completely different app. Google has long dealt with this problem with AdWords and search results. Google still tries to make the exact thing your searching for be the #1 organic result. Yes there are pr…

> Pick any app you want and search for it. Ideally it has a pretty unique name and not just a dictionary wod. What will you see? The first result will always be an ad for a completely different app.

This is also the case on the Play Store. Google *always* places the ad above the actual result, even if you search by the app ID (e.g. org.videolan.vlc)

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Post by cameldrv »

randycupertino wrote: post #247
strictnein wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. And, to make matters worse, you have things like the Charlie Brown Halloween Special, which Apple now owns the rights to. You cannot in any way searc…

> This is how Amazon is too with the movies and tv shows you bought. There's no way to search your owned library anymore. You just have to page through it to find what you want. And your library is hidden away behind a tiny little unlabeled icon in the upper right corner. This happened with (amazon owned) audible now too. When you try to search your own library instead it shows you books for sale. Even if you search…

Look kid, buy something or get out!

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by etothet »

pzo wrote: post #112

Sadly iPhone sales and revenue saturated like 4 years ago (and the same for Mac, Wearables and iPad [0]). They focus now a lot on growing revenue from services. Which is kind of sad because they have still much room to grow Mac and iPad: - just make iPad more useful and support MacOS - it's not gonna canibalize Mac, they sale each year 2x more iPads than Macs and 12x more iPhones than Macs. - make macbook Pro standar…

A cheaper Mac Mini? $599 for the entry level is a pretty great deal (assuming you view macOS and the ecosystem as a feature and not a bug).

Genuine question: is there a comparable Windows machine in a mini desktop form factor at a similar or lower price?

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by seec »

plussed_reader wrote: post #213

This 'red line' was quite apparent around 10.14 when macOS and iOS were set on the collision course we see today in Ta-hoe. So much wasted visual space in the last 5 releases, making room for touch. I doubt we'll see a pseudo macOS mode on mobileOS, but the mirroring for iOS in the last 2 major releases of macOS is just a jump to the left of local emulation.

Yep. Information density and compact but efficient UIs were definitely an advantage of macOS. Now they are on track to emulate the big buttons of Windows so what's the point ?

Re: Apple is crossing a Steve Jobs red line

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Post by HacklesRaised »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #235
gwd wrote: post #75

> From that point on, Steve would go on to spend lavishly on things that improved the experience, and he would reject—often brutally—any idea that diluted or harmed the experience. ...I’ll go out on a limb and say that uninvited advertising is not normally equated with a better customer experience. YES!!! SOO much of the Apple user experience has degraded due to this. I can't listen to my own music that I bought on t…

If Apple puts ads in its Maps, there will be an opening for a gorgeously-skinned OpenStreetMaps app. Possibly even with a $1/year WhatsApp-style subscription. I really fucking hate ads. I’ll first pay to avoid them. If I can’t, I’ll bail. Because we live in a capitalist society, I’ll take folks with me. nose boops Kagi

Big ups for mentioning KAGI
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