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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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> increasingly welded together That's an insinuation with some vague truth to it, but not much. Budget airlines are not government departments, and competition between them isn't phony. "The sky is blue" "I feel that it is increasingly yellow"

There's little competition pressure because consumers don't care. I guess the standard theory says that the buck ends there. If people are fine with it, it's fine.

Now you're talking! People suck, it's their fault.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...

But what if my battery runs out?

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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This is hardware attestation in a nutshell: a double edged sword, and a sharp one at that. The biggest issue is that the attestation hardware and the application client is the same device with the same manufacturer, who also happens to have a slight conflict of interest between monetizing customers and preserving any sort of privacy. IMHO the pro-attestation forces are so overwhelming that we should all cherish the m…

My understanding of the "double edged sword" idiom is that the tool has both downsides and upsides. What are the upsides to restricting what I can do with the hardware I paid for?

Revenue for the device manufacturer for licensing sales in their walled garden "store".

Since Apple and Google are public companies I guess we should all buy stock and reap the financial rewards of destroying computing freedom. >sigh<

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Any large bureaucracy has similarly lofty official goals

I understand we're all old and cynical here, but one of the tenets of discussions on HN would be to take someone's arguments at face value, so I prefer to believe that the EU as an organization actually wants to diminish social exclusion and discrimination. I'm not sure if I'd give the same credit to any other capitalist entity, but the EU does not have the implicit goal of increasing revenue for its shareholders to…

Lots of countries have has similar goals and lofty promises in its constitution.

I take your argument at face value (in that I take it that you believe the EU has that goal at some level). I just to not expect it, as an organisation, to consistently promote that goal (for much the same reasons lots of countries fail to serve their citizens).

Profit making businesses have the explicit goal of making shareholders better off. Management usually choose to balance this against other goals (ethics, the good of wider society, their own interests...), just as the EU has the explicit aim you state, but, similarly, has other conflicting aims.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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> At present the project is focused on mobile platforms, specifically Android and iOS, as they cover the vast majority of users and real-world use cases. (..) Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. This is the equivalent of a "Do you guys not have phones??"[1] but on a way larger scale. At least where i live i am able to use the bare minimum of phones, even working with tech. The friction is inc…

Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...

Ticketmaster and their stupid app is another good example. As if I couldn't hate Ticketmaster any more I recently bought some tickets and learned about this idiocy.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Another recent news about mandated app use: Ryanair now (from November) requires using their app for the boarding pass, no more printouts from the desktop. Also, they refuse to show the QR code for the boarding pass in a mobile browser via the website, you must use their app. https://www.msn.com/en-ie/travel/news/ryanair-s-new-check-in...

Ticketmaster and their stupid app is another good example. As if I couldn't hate Ticketmaster any more I recently bought some tickets and learned about this idiocy.

I throw the tickets into my (digital) wallet and then don't think about the app until the next time I need to buy tickets. But that's not helpful if you don't have a phone.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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This read more like "we thought pc was a dead relic of the past" sadly

Well, looking around I see more people using smartphones for anything and even not having a PC…

The vast majority of those people are never going to know the freedom and power afforded by using a general purpose computer you actually control.

The "war on general purpose computing" need only be the waiting-out for those of us who remember actually owning a computer to die.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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I think that the European Digital Identity project should not be hosting its source code and content related to European standards, guidelines, and initiatives on GitHub, a closed source product owned by Microsoft.

Why stop there? Go all in: they should not run their open source totalitarian digital control nightmare codebase on closed source hardware, because that's the real issue!

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Ticketmaster and their stupid app is another good example. As if I couldn't hate Ticketmaster any more I recently bought some tickets and learned about this idiocy.

I throw the tickets into my (digital) wallet and then don't think about the app until the next time I need to buy tickets. But that's not helpful if you don't have a phone.

I used to print paper tickets so I could get into a show if my phone died / got broken / etc. That doesn't happen often, to be sure, but I also don't want phone bullshit to keep me out of a show that, in the case of this recent one, I have >$500 in tickets for. One less dependency is a good thing.

More to the point, the app isn't for my convenience. It doesn't do anything to make my experience better.

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