The post does not mention how much money they are giving. Maybe I am a pessimist, but unless the number is in tens of millions or hundreds of millions (very unlikely), I don't think it helps the development of an independent browser very much. Google probably has poured over billions of dollars into Chrome development over the years, and if you look at what Chrome supports, it's massive. I seriously doubt anybody els…
Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
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Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#252Why is it that Servo has been around for ages, chugging along, making progress, and then Ladybird comes along and gets, pretty much instantly, anointed as the last great hope against Chrome? What does everyone else know about Servo that I don't?
Servo was a side-project. Mozilla laid off the Servo team. Its development then stopped. It eventually found a home in Linux Foundation but it lost the initial acceleration. It lost the ambition. Many key developers moved on. Whatever nature your project is, closed or open source, when you lose key people and stop training new ones, the project slowly dies. People matter much much more than the license or the parent…
I've actually been watching all the Ladybird update videos (because I'm absolutely giddy at the prospect of a new, open-source browser engine), and they compare their test passing numbers to other browsers, including Servo. And from their own slides, Servo is behind them, but not by much, and making progress at about the same rate.
Maybe that says it all, considering how much of a head start Servo had, but Servo also took a very long... break, as you said.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not mouseless or obscure but it definitely is a distro Granted, it does have a TUI focus
> 310 FydeOS > 311 Omarchy > 312 Adélie https://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=popularity 311th is plenty obscure in my book.
Omarchy just got added to Distro watch. Ranking currently #10 on the last 7 days.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#254I’m skeptical. Cloudflare clearly wants to move us to a future where only approved browsers are allowed to access the web. People have been fiercely debating whether that’s a terrible thing, or whether that’s the least bad practical solution on offer for website owners. I don’t want to make a judgement on that, but I don’t think the observation that CF is pushing us in that direction is very controversial. But an ind…
I don't understand why we always assume bad faith. I wish more companies were like Cloudflare actually - trying to balance the need of revenues while trying to do good for internet and open source as a whole. As a normal user with a few sites, I'm glad they provide what they provide to block bots, attacks and everything AI.
Assuming bad faith in the case of Cloudflare specifically? Know first that the CIA once ran a front company for decades that was meant to be a trusted source for cryptographic hardware for use by embassies and the like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto_AG
If the CIA wanted to MITM all web traffic, and why wouldn't they, a company like Cloudflare is probably exactly how they'd do it.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
Have you tried KDE/plasma6 recently? IMHO, it's better than anything else, including Windows and OS X.
Plasma isn't bad and better than Windows in most respects, but it's kind of the opposite of Omarchy in that it has a trillion toggles and its defaults don't work for many, so a good deal of tweaking is required to make it "cozy".
I'm curious which defaults you find so unusable. I'm rather fiddly and particular, but I haven't done much more to my KDE setup than disable mouse acceleration.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#256The post does not mention how much money they are giving. Maybe I am a pessimist, but unless the number is in tens of millions or hundreds of millions (very unlikely), I don't think it helps the development of an independent browser very much. Google probably has poured over billions of dollars into Chrome development over the years, and if you look at what Chrome supports, it's massive. I seriously doubt anybody els…
LuaJIT was developed by one person. Ladybird doesn't need hundreds of millions of dollars, it needs interpreter specialists who are willing to lend their time to the project, and an army of volunteers to work on the rest of the rendering engine.
LuaJIT has ~85k lines of code. Chromium and Firefox have somewhere in the neighborhood of ~30 million. If you need ~1 developer for "a LuaJIT" then you need ~350 developers for a browser.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think they moved to Chromium then? They switched because they could not support a competitive engine by themselves.
Because they could archive the same product using chromium with less cost. Should that change their investment in that area would probably increase as a consequence.
No, because using Chromium was the only way the could stay relevant in the browser space. They were just unable to build the same product with their own stack.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#258I really wish the open source projects that actually have meaningful impact on the whole industry were target of sponsorship, not the ones with good marketing, but I know how hard that is to achieve. Taking money from someone is unfortunately complicated in this society. In many cases it's easier not to even ask for sponsorship, unless you are willing to deal with the bureaucracy. Ladybird is at least fighting for di…
Archlinux refused the sponsorship
Source?
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#259Embrace, extend, extinguish.
Re: Cloudflare is sponsoring Ladybird and Omarchy
#260I really wish the open source projects that actually have meaningful impact on the whole industry were target of sponsorship, not the ones with good marketing, but I know how hard that is to achieve. Taking money from someone is unfortunately complicated in this society. In many cases it's easier not to even ask for sponsorship, unless you are willing to deal with the bureaucracy. Ladybird is at least fighting for di…
> Ladybird is at least fighting for diversity
What does this even mean? And if it's an important part of a business model, how do you know that Omarchy isn't?