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Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Post by Braxton1980 »

umbra07 wrote: post #230
labster wrote: post #201

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Americans want looting and authoritarianism, so that’s what they’re getting. There’s no excuses here after a majority of people voted for Trump’s return, with his repeated promises that he wouldn’t be held back this time around. We got exactly what we voted for — worldwide tariffs, sending the military to round up migrants, a military parade with tanks in DC, antivax boards — all of these things he talked about befor…

> Americans want looting and authoritarianism, so that's what they're getting. There's no excuses here after a majority of people voted for Trump's ret with his repeated promises that he wou be held back this time around. Why do you think it's appropriate to say "Americans want..." and "We got exactly what we voted for..." when only 32% of Americans voted for Trump?

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Post by Whoppertime »

superconduct123 wrote: post #242
rockemsockem wrote: post #229

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Sorry how is SpaceX unreliable? I personally think we need at least a second reliable launch provider, probably rocket lab, just for redundancy.

https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/elon-musk-threatened-decom...

https://www.npr.org/2024/08/24/nx-s1-5087892/nasa-starliner-...

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Post by ilc »

potato3732842 wrote: post #155
TimorousBestie wrote: post #127

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> The cents on the dollar in and out flows fluctuate a lot year to year. This doesn’t imply that the net flows average out to zero.

So what? No state is gonna to tits up because they're no longer getting $1.03 back for every dollar they send to daddy fed. It'd be a giant nothingburger for the most part.

It isn't that small.

And the swing between states depending on how it's measured can be QUITE large.

As someone from a state that puts in a hell of a lot more than it gets out. I'd be glad for you to reduce my tax load, and let my state improve its services all at once! I can't speak of how happy I'd be.

Even if it is 10-20%, that's nice phat cut. Which isn't far off in the more extreme cases.

Re: Trump's NASA cuts would destroy decades of science and wipe out its future

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Post by johannes1234321 »

0xffff2 wrote: post #240
umbra07 wrote: post #230

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> Americans want looting and authoritarianism, so that's what they're getting. There's no excuses here after a majority of people voted for Trump's ret with his repeated promises that he wou be held back this time around. Why do you think it's appropriate to say "Americans want..." and "We got exactly what we voted for..." when only 32% of Americans voted for Trump?

After everything that happened up to the 2024 election, I think it's entirely reasonable to lump anyone who didn't vote at all in with those that explicitly voted for Trump.

I would qualify it a bit: Those who were able to vote. There is a set of people too I'll to vote and there is a group of people who were hindered from voting.

But yes, a big part of not voting people decided to not vote. If one decides to not vote one accepts the outcome and it it was know that the outcome would be Trump, and that Trump (or the people around him) would be more prepared and more unhinged than in the first term.

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chrisco255 wrote: post #204
johaugum wrote: post #144

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Not really. Early rockets included multiple private contractors like Douglas, Boeing and NAA, but those were basically government projects top to bottom. Single vendor commercial rockets are a recent (2000s) invention.

Think of how wasteful and inefficient multi-vendor rockets are as a concept. What complex machine would you engineer in such a way? Would you have the government, rather than buy cars from Ford, GM, Tesla, etc, instead contract out the production to one company for the motor, one for the frame, and one for the interior and instrumentation?

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Post by Ray20 »

bobthepanda wrote: post #237
Ray20 wrote: post #218

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I am not an American and may not understand what is going on inside, but from the outside it appears that you are simply engaging in political smears. Authoritarianism means oppressing the masses, having an undemocratic government and acting against the will of the people. It happens in Venezuela. It happens in Turkey. It happens in Hungary. It doesn't happen in the US. If anything, what is happening in the US is exa…

Orban and Erdogan also won the popular vote, that's hardly a get-out-of-authoritarianism free card.

>Orban and Erdogan also won the popular vote, that's hardly a get-out-of-authoritarianism free card.

You should learn more about the electoral system under authoritarianism. In any free election, Orban or Erdogan have no chance.

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Post by Braxton1980 »

mostlysimilar wrote: post #205
labster wrote: post #201

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Americans want looting and authoritarianism, so that’s what they’re getting. There’s no excuses here after a majority of people voted for Trump’s return, with his repeated promises that he wouldn’t be held back this time around. We got exactly what we voted for — worldwide tariffs, sending the military to round up migrants, a military parade with tanks in DC, antivax boards — all of these things he talked about befor…

It's not even remotely helpful to keep parroting "this is what Americans wanted." Not only do Trump voters not represent a majority of Americans, the media landscape is so fractured that many people did not know what they were voting for and just wanted cheaper groceries. Is that stupid and naive? Yes. But it's also stupid and naive to generalize and say "Americans want this."

> just wanted cheaper groceries.

1. And why would voting for Trump get that?

2. It didn't happen either way

3. Stupidity is not an acceptable excuse

4. You vote for a person not a specific policy

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Post by FuriouslyAdrift »

greenpizza13 wrote: post #184
stronglikedan wrote: post #172

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Ya know, deportations without due process is authoritarianism. So is attacking the media and ignoring the courts. I guess the blinders are up cause you love Trump. More power to you, man, but you are in fact the baddie.

Administrative court rulings is due process for immigration... that's the law. Admin court is part of the Executive branch. That's how the law is set up.

Comprehensive immigration reform (which is sorely needed) can only come from the Congress (who have no incentive to act because everyone is so focused on the Presidency).

Without the laws changing, the only choice is to enforce the laws as they are.

Something that has been ignored since Obama (who deported far more than Trump ever has... Obama deported primarily criminals, however, and Trump is deporting anybody he can)

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Post by newhope1978 »

ethbr1 wrote: post #238
xedrac wrote: post #209

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You're ignoring the massive elephant in the room. The previous administration let millions and millions of completely unvetted and undocumented immigrants into our county, creating an unprecedented crisis. I view Trump's actions as reclaiming our country from the brink. All of the instances you mentioned are simply fallout from the crises Trump was handed, and it astonishes me how liberals cannot see this simple fact…

People who think that's a massive elephant are shortsighted. You know what illegal immigrants do? Work. For shitty wages. You know what that does? Boosts the US' labor force and economy, which buffers the declining fertility rate [0]. The fact that anti-immigration (of any sort) folks never think beyond first-effects is mind boggling. Illegal immigration causes some problems; it also solves others. [0] https://en.m.w…

so your reason that why we need them is because they are wage slaves that will eventually replace us? Why not just use the billions of dollars spent on immigration to boost wages, make life more affordable, and give tax cuts to ACTUAL AMERICANS as an incentive to have more kids?
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