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Considering no one makes money in AI, maybe this is just economics.
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#252Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d like to see more evidence that it’s a scam than just your feelings. Any data there? I certainly don’t see why mere prediction can’t validate reasoning. Sure, it can’t do it perfectly all the time, but neither can people.
> I’d like to see more evidence that it’s a scam Have you been introduced to their CEO yet? 5 minutes of Worldcoin research should assuage your curiosity.
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#253I consistently get significantly better performance from Anthropic at a literal order of magnitude less cost. I am incredibly doubtful that this new GPT is 10x Claude unless it is embracing some breakthrough, secret, architecture nobody has heard of.
I mean ... anecdata for anecdata.
I use LLMs for many projects and 4o is the sweet spot for me.
>literal order of magnitude less cost
This is just not true. If your use case can be solved with 4o-mini (I know, not all do) OpenAI is the one which is an order of magnitude cheaper.
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#254I do wonder what effect this will have on furthering the divide between the "rich West" and the rest of the world. If everyone in the West has powerful AI and Agents to automate everything. Simply because we can afford it, but the rest of the world doesn't have access to it. What will that mean for everyone left behind?
I’m watching some of this happening first and second hand, and have seen a lot of evidence of companies spending a ton of money on these, spinning up departments, buying companies, pivoting their entire company’s strategy to AI, et c, and zero of its meaningfully replacing employees. It takes very skilled people to use LLMs well, and the companies trying to turn 5 positions into 2 aren’t paying enough to reliably get…
Yes. The people who can use these tools to dramatically increase their capabilities and output without a significant drop in quality were already great engineers for which there was more demand than supply. That isn't going to change soon.
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it's literally the cost of a cup per coffee per day
I don’t drink coffee. But even if I did, and I drank it everyday at a coffeehouse or restaurant in my country (which would be significantly higher quality than something like a Starbucks), it wouldn’t come close to that cost.
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#256Expect more of this as they scramble to course-correct from losing billions every year, to hitting their 2029 target for profitability. That money's gotta come from somewhere. > Price hikes for the premium ChatGPT have long been rumored. By 2029, OpenAI expects it’ll charge $44 per month for ChatGPT Plus, according to reporting by The New York Times. I suspect a big part of why Sora still isn't available is because t…
ChatGPT as a standalone service is profitable. But that’s not saying much.
Is this on a purely variable basis? Assuming that the cost of foundation models is $0 etc?
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
I mean this in what I hope will be taken in the most helpful way possible: you should update your thinking to at least imagine that intelligent thoughtful people see some value in ChatGPT. Or alternately that some of the people who see value in ChatGPT are intelligent and thoughtful. That is, aim for the more intelligent "Interesting, why do so many people like this? Where is it headed? Given that, what is worth doin…
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I think you did make some strong inferences about others when you said "it's a con." But I'm actually not interested in the other people, or defending against an ad hominem attack - I'm comfortable making my own purchase decisions.
My intent was to say "you seem like a smart person, but you seem to have a blind spot here, might benefit you to stay more open minded."
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#258If the alternative is ChatGPT with native advertising built it... I'll take the subscription.
That would be one way to destroy all trust in the model: is the response authentic (in the context of an LLM guessing), or has it been manipulated by business clients to sanitise or suppress output relating to their concern? You know? Nestle throws a bit of cash towards OpenAPI and all of a sudden the LLM is unable to discuss the controversies they've been involved in. Just pretends they never happened or spins the r…
dont even need ads.
try to get chatgpt web search to return you a new york times link
nyt doesnt exist to openai
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it's literally the cost of a cup per coffee per day
This argument only works in isolation, and only for a subset of people. “Cost of a cup of coffee per day” makes it sound horrifically overpriced to me, given how much more expensive a coffee shop is than brewing at home.
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#260"Open"AI - If you pay to play. People in developing countries where USD200 feeds a family of four for a month clearly won't be able to afford it and are disadvantaged.
You’ve got it backwards. AI can replace workers in these locales who do not outperform chat gpt.
That's a business case use.
On an individual level for solo devs in a developing nation USD200 a month is an enormous amount of money.
For someone in a developed nation, this is just over a coffee a day.