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Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by iknowstuff »

saturn8601 wrote: post #181
iknowstuff wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://skills.ai/tesla-car-prices-analysis/ 37k model 3 for a good chunk of time, especially given the inflation since initial announcement, and given the amount of features in the base version which you'd have to pay out the ass with other OEMs, is actually very good.

Ehh I disagree, the main competition like the Mazda 3 has still been very competitive price wise in that they also kept prices either low or lowered them further post COVID inflation and if you are comparing to the luxury brands then consider the fact that the car launched with a very stripped down interior compared to their competition and still remains that way while their competition have clearly continued to exce…

The interior is minimalist, and ever since the model 3’s release, all other brands have been slowly trending in its direction. The 2024 model 3 interior is beautiful to the point that all the pointless plastic widgets present on other OEMs are kinda hilarious to look at.

what makes you think the mazda 3 is the main competition?

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Post by ulfw »

laidoffamazon wrote: post #26

The RoboTaxi looks neat, but I don't get why it only seats 2 rather than just updating the Model 3? What's the utility of an entirely new production line for a car that is less flexible than the existing model that's built at scale?

Don't worry. This thing will never come out.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by milleramp »

Animats wrote: post #188

It's amusing that this was at the Warner back lot, which is out in Burbank. Not Paramount or Universal, which are both in Hollywood. It would have been embarrassing to do this at Paramount or Universal, because those are in Waymo's service area. People would have arrived at the event in real self driving taxis.

All of Warner is "out in Burbank" as is most of what is normally considered Hollywood.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by rswail »

thefourthchime wrote: post #212
toomuchtodo wrote: post #154

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Tesla market cap is based on AI/robotaxi/FSD. Without that, they’re just playing catchup to BYD (who quietly, yet aggressively, executes at scale; they offer EVs today between $10k-$20k and already employ more workers than Toyota [for scale]). https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/03/cars/china-tesla-byd-competit... https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/03/chinas-byd-is-set-to-beat-te... https://www.counterpointresearch.com/insights/be…

I think you're ignoring the fact that Chinese manufacturers are heavily tariffed in the west

Heavily tariffed in the US, no tariffs in AU/NZ/Asia.

EU is imposing tariffs depending on the manufacturer's co-operation with cost investigations.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by peutetre »

lopkeny12ko wrote: post #214
crustaceansoup wrote: post #109

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Waymo doesn't require a driver to supervise the car, they're supposedly running Level 4 cars. FSD requires continual supervision, you must be responsible and attentive at all times. How is this a reasonable comparison?

You say this as if there isn't an army of teleoperators behind the scenes ready to remotely take over a Waymo at a moment's notice... It was also announced today that unsupervised FSD is coming to Texas and California in 2025.

It was also announced that there would be 1 million Tesla robotaxis on the road in 2020:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/38129/elon-musk-promised-1-mil...

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by zizee »

forgot-im-old wrote: post #196
marsten wrote: post #172

The most interesting thing to me by far was the lack of a steering wheel on the Robocab. Without manual controls, vague promises ("puffery"?) about autonomy won't drive vehicle sales as they do today across all Tesla's models. The Robocab as shown literally cannot function (or make a dime of revenue) until they've fully solved autonomy and have convinced regulators of the same.

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That Reddit thread reads like /UFOs, i.e. unhinged. Do you have a link to anything more reputable?

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by diffeomorphism »

porphyra wrote: post #92
danpalmer wrote: post #55

The big promise of the Robotaxi was that every Tesla would be one, that your Tesla would earn you money while you weren't using it. This was obviously unlikely to ever happen, but has been the promise right up to this event, and something Musk has been very vocal about. Despite having very few details in this presentation, the one detail that is clear is that existing Teslas won't be taxiing anyone, and Tesla will be…

> one detail that is clear is that existing Teslas won't be taxiing anyone, and Tesla will be the operator reaping the benefits Elon said you will be able to buy a Cybercab for under $30,000 and individual owners will be able to "tend to [your robotaxi fleet] like a flock of sheep".

So it is 100% true that the promise for your current Tesla was broken. But don't worry, an additional $30k will fix it.

Yeah, not sure how this is supposed to be a positive reply.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by zizee »

echoangle wrote: post #221
kshacker wrote: post #183

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Imagine if you could have one human operator able to go anywhere in the city for every 50 active cars ! Of course you can scale the number up and down based on actual needs. Kinda like Tesla AAA. Overhead will be less than having a driver per car and could be reasonable.

How long would it take for the single operator to reach a stuck car, worst case and average? I don’t know how it’s in the US but I’m pretty sure you could never get this certified in the EU, you can’t have your cars stuck and blocking traffic for 20 minutes before someone comes to get it unstuck. I think remote control would be much better for this.

"You're trip is important to us, please hold and the next available operator will assist you as soon as possible."

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by saturn8601 »

conradev wrote: post #232
saturn8601 wrote: post #226

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>Waymo partnered with Hyundai on the Ioniq 5 because Hyundai just rolled out the first Ioniq 5 from their Georgia “metaplant” literally yesterday. What does one have to do with the other? The I-Pace was built in Austria. They dont seem to care about where it was built. >Toyota doesn’t make many EVs and none in the US? Mercedes doesn’t make affordable cars in general? The Chrysler Pacifica was a gas powered vehicle, T…

Hyundai #2 to Tesla: https://www.businesskorea.co.kr/news/articleView.html?idxno=... Waymo optimizing for cost: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/08/meet-the-6th-generation-waymo...

You ignored the rest of my response which is again driving the point: What does Hyundai really get out of this?

Circling back to my point, this does not really explain why they are partnering with Waymo. Waymo is a rounding error in sales for Hyundai.

If Waymo was solely focused on cost, then they should have stuck with the pacifica which is cheaper or gotten something even cheaper like a Toyota. It makes no sense to go with Hyundai which is not even the cheapest for the features that it offers(compared to id 4, Niro EV, Hell even Kona EV). It is a smaller car compared to the Pacifica and the i-Pace and is far less equipped in terms of comfort and space.

We dont even know if they specifically wanted to go with an EV. Thats just something you just asserted without evidence.

Re: Tesla Robotaxi

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Post by perbu »

m463 wrote: post #215
modeless wrote: post #192

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It's not going to be in mass production until 2027 at the earliest, realistically. Will they have unsupervised FSD "next year" as claimed? I doubt it. But by 2027? I think there's a strong possibility. I've been testing FSD since it was released and lately the pace of improvement has gotten a lot faster. And the Cybercab is going to have a much faster onboard computer, and probably more/better cameras.

I got to try fsd (supervised) recently, and although it wasn't perfect, it was pretty good. I also had to learn to to enable adaptive driving (or whatever it is called) to let the car go slightly over the speed limit and go with the flow of traffic, otherwise it would only go the speed limit and people would rage-pass.

I suspect if it works well 99% of the time, which is pretty good, they're about half way to their goals. Making it work well 99.9999% is probably a lot harder.
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