Nexus 7, Made for Google Play • Hacker News Board

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by wslh » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:07 AM UTC

jamesaguilar wrote: post #221

wvenable wrote: post #217

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> The "obligation" I am speaking of is an expectation... Obligation is a legal or moral term -- you can't use that term otherwise. An expectation is not an obligation. If you expect free cookies from me because I've been giving you free cookies every day for the past week, that's fine. But I'm not obligated to give you free cookies today. If Bob gives you free cookies and I'm now sitting in Bob's desk, you might expe…

I guess we have reached an impasse. We'll see how well this approach works out for Google in the long run. I'm inclined to suspect it is hurting them as it would probably hurt Microsoft if they started breaking backwards compatibility with every OS release. But reality will have to be the arbiter of whether this theory is correct. Also, IMO, the term social obligation is pretty well understood. It's an expectation of…

I loved this thread. I am beginning to hate Google. I don't care about words and explanations: I remember updating my iPhone "1" a little while after the Apple event, While just updating my Samsung Galaxi SII to ICS a few weeks ago with shitty Movistar stuff bundled and where they even removed the "native" browser and you must go to the search option tocopen it. Sure I can now install Chrome but I discovered that Opera works better than Firefox and Chrome! (hilarious? I can't submit to HN with these last two). And everyday I trigger vlingo shit because I pressed two times the home button and can't be disabled! (vlingo posted a solution that don't work on their websites).

I don't want a Ferrari that is not leaving its potential.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by orangecat » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:12 AM UTC

jamesaguilar wrote: post #184

wvenable wrote: post #173

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You didn't buy your OS from Google. You didn't buy your device from Google. Your phone doesn't have the latest OS because your device manufacturer isn't giving it to you.

Yeah, I don't really care. It is Google branded, was developed primarily by Google, was marketed as "Google Android" and/or "Android by Google" at various times, has Google apps, has a store run by Google where I get more apps, and has Google's name associated with it in every news article I find about it online. It's a Google device to me, Joe Average Consumer. Your technicalities don't mean jack to me. Also, everyt…

It's a Google device to me, Joe Average Consumer.

And Joe Average Consumer doesn't care what OS version his phone is running, as long as he can play Angry Birds and get email and Facebook. I wish that wasn't true, because then carriers and manufacturers who fail to provide updates would be punished by the market, but it is.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by pinaceae » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:38 AM UTC

will_work4tears wrote: post #186

rayiner wrote: post #103

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> I'd pay more than an iPad for a tablet with identical specs if it had replaceable batteries. Why?

Because I like to be able to swap my batteries without paying 200 bucks and having my electronic device away (Send to apple to replace). Also, I'm don't like Apple as a company and am not a brandphile. Having a smart phone or tablet is enough for me, I don't need to flash around a brand name to feel important.

you are a brandophobe then, completely guided by a logo rather than the capabilities of the device.

i own iPad 1, 2 and 3 devices (through my job) - never, ever did i need to replace the battery. it lasts very long, days, by then you have plugged it in somewhere.

my customers are big on ipads for their mobile sales forces and none, NONE, report issues with the batteries. that's a sample size of 15k+ users, worldwide.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by enjo » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 5:49 AM UTC

awolf wrote: post #165

will_work4tears wrote: post #89

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I swap my batteries (and always have a spare which doubles my battery time - with my phone I have three), on my laptop, on my phone, and if I had one, on my tablet. I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. I know several people like me, and there are probably a lot out there just like me. I don't know why Apple people think "why not get an IPad" if price is comparable. I'd pay a bit extra for the s…

>I'll never buy Apple until they have replaceable batteries. Then you'll never buy Apple. Non-replaceable battery means a much better device. Going back to replaceable batteries would be a huge step backwards. Replaceable batteries on portable devices are going away. Sorry to break the new to you.

Why? I have a pretty new Galaxy Nexus and I can replace the battery just fine.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by lmm » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 6:30 AM UTC

btipling wrote: post #5

It ships with Jellybean... I've been waiting for the Samsung 10 inch tablet with the stylus, but it's already out of date and hasn't even shipped yet. I don't want a 7inch tablet and it is going to be years by the time a Jelly Bean 10 inch tablet comes out and by that time there will already be a new version of the OS! I already have a Fire and I can't read magazines on it, it's too small. I'm just going to give up a…

Get an ASUS transformer. They have a perfect track record with OS updates so far.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by lmm » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 6:37 AM UTC

earl wrote: post #49

recoiledsnake wrote: post #17

Looks like even Google is afraid to directly take on the 800lb. gorilla that is the 10" iPad at the $500 price point. Xoom, Touchpad, Playbook(7") and countless others seem to have bit the dust trying. HTC and LG have even temporarily quit the tablet market to stem the bleeding. Wonder if ASUS is seeing volume on its Transformer line. Also, does anyone know how the Galaxy Tab is doing? Even Kindle Fire's sales are sl…

I don't think google can compete with the ipad. The ipad is priced competitively, and the question every similar tablet has to answer is why on earth would I pay as much for this as I would for an ipad? There doesn't appear to be any good answers. The android tablet manufacturers don't appear to able to compete on price with a similar hardware quality. edit: I meant compete directly. Obviously they can make something…

When I got my transformer it was competing directly against the ipad. Flash, a video app I trusted to play everything, and (being honest, and going against my normal tendencies) that beautiful copper look are reasons I would have paid an ipad price for it, and it was actually substantially cheaper.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by kibibyte » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 6:48 AM UTC

earl wrote: post #34

ivanbernat wrote: post #10

> Sorry! Devices on Google Play is not available in your country yet. At least show me what it looks like!

http://earlh.com/dump/hn/nexus/details.html

Anyone else also get user-agent related errors on that site with Chrome? For those that did, anyone know why it's happening?

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by ubernostrum » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 7:35 AM UTC

wvenable wrote: post #173

jamesaguilar wrote: post #154

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I'm just a user of Google's Android OS. My three-year old Windows and Mac computers still get the latest OS versions, as do my iPhones. I don't care about the particular reasons why my phone with Google's Android OS doesn't get updated. I just know it doesn't. Those are Google's problems, not mine. My problem is that I own an Android phone that is not on the latest version. > be smart about which droid phone you get…

You didn't buy your OS from Google. You didn't buy your device from Google. Your phone doesn't have the latest OS because your device manufacturer isn't giving it to you.

Your phone doesn't have the latest OS because your device manufacturer isn't giving it to you.

"You didn't buy it from Google, so it's your own fault" is probably not a great marketing tactic for the platform.

Android is, in several ways, dependent on the goodwill and word-of-mouth promotion of people who care about things like getting their device's OS upgraded within a couple years of when the new OS is released. Losing that goodwill (which is surprisingly difficult when we consider all the different ways Google's basically said "fuck you" to the people who promoted Android for them) would probably be a major blow for the platform.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by rsanchez1 » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 7:56 AM UTC

btipling wrote: post #25

UnFleshedOne wrote: post #16

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You mean they should stop working on the OS to save you some "not the latest" anxiety?

Tablets are expensive. I cannot afford to buy a tablet every year. So I want a tablet that is future proof. The 10 inch tablets that others will release this year will have an outdated operating system on them and will still cost many hundreds of dollars. I do not want to spend hundreds of dollars on an outdated operating system. I love Android, but this terrible to the extreme.

Maybe iPads are expensive, but the Nexus 7 is reasonably priced for the specs and features.

Re: Nexus 7, Made for Google Play

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Post by rsanchez1 » Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 8:01 AM UTC

The Nexus 7 just made the Kindle Fire and Nook Tablet obsolete. I've been holding back on buying a Kindle Fire, but I think I may just pull the trigger on the Nexus 7.