Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom • Hacker News Board

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by janoc » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #193

b112 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm willing to bet a lot, that there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap. These events just happened at the same, general timeframe.

> there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap I wouldn’t have linked the two had the dealership not told me that was what caused it.

Wouldn't be the first time the dealership was telling customer complete BS assuming that they don't have a clue in order to either get out of a warranty repair or to inflate an invoice.

Also dealerships not having a clue is not rare either. Many garages these days only connect a computer to the diagnostics port, download whatever error codes are shown and tell the shocked driver that half of their car is kaputt with the repair likely going to be several thousands of euro.

All the while the real problem is a blown fuse for one of the control units or a wire has chaffed and broke somewhere - and the diagnostic codes come only because the ECU can't talk to some sensors because part of the vehicle's CAN bus is down.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by lucideer » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

bayindirh wrote: post #130

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> they change the world. For the better. That's up for a through debate, but not today. Let's leave it at I don't agree that part 100%.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> on a path towards electrified transport

If not for Tesla, America (& the Western world in general) might not be on a path towards private inefficient electrified road transport, leaving much more room for investment in & upselling of vastly more sustainable non-road transport, as has been done in China.

Musk in particular has form here - consistently blocking & derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for the west coast in favour of white elephants (the material result being a maintained reliance on roads, and - by extension - his big cobalt-mine-dependent business).

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by flutas » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

seanieb wrote: post #184

underdeserver wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you please elaborate on that list? I've had a Model 3 for two and a half years and it's still the best driving experience I've ever had.

I've had my car for about the same length of time. It is fun to drive when it's working. The first two years were uneventful, but it was evident that the build quality was subpar and the software substandard. And I'm not referring to the entertainment system here, but rather the software that controls the car itself, which falls short compared to my Volvo XC60. The fly-by-wire system lacks the necessary redundancies…

> It took several service appointments and months to convince them otherwise, requiring me to mount a GoPro in my car and dangerously recreate the issue, which randomly occurred after about 45 minutes of cruise control driving.

Then post the video and publicly call them out?

> It wasn't until I contacted their PR department and threatened to involve the press that they took the matter seriously.

This is where ya lose me... Tesla doesn't have a 'PR department'

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by janoc » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:29 PM UTC

Spooky23 wrote: post #169

bmitc wrote: post #39

Is this really a surprise? There are physical realities, and a single company can't suddenly reinvent a century of industry experience with some Silicon Valley pixie dust and government subsidies. Tesla, like many startups, is just rediscovering what it takes to build a car and what other companies have already figured out. Bringing a new drivetrain is not enough.

Fortunately, there’s a broad network of independent mechanics and third party parts to make Tesla repairs easily accessible.

I suppose that was a sarcasm/irony ...

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by jeremyjh » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:30 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #193

b112 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm willing to bet a lot, that there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap. These events just happened at the same, general timeframe.

> there was no causation between youe ABS having issues, and a loose gas cap I wouldn’t have linked the two had the dealership not told me that was what caused it.

Yes but by saying those particular words, thousands of dollars left your bank account and entered theirs. Is it possible that is the only reason they said them?

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:31 PM UTC

pard68 wrote: post #250

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is faults found during a scheduled inspection This implies we need an inspection regime in America. We’ve counted on servicing to catch unsafe cars. I hadn’t thought of that as something that changed.

Many states (or all the ones I have lived in anyway) have regular, mandatory inspections.

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Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by JumpCrisscross » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:33 PM UTC

lucideer wrote: post #252

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's up for a through debate, but not today Were it not for Tesla, America wouldn’t be on a path towards electrified transport. The tradeoffs are incredibly germane to the topic.

> on a path towards electrified transport If not for Tesla, America (& the Western world in general) might not be on a path towards private inefficient electrified road transport, leaving much more room for investment in & upselling of vastly more sustainable non-road transport, as has been done in China. Musk in particular has form here - consistently blocking & derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for t…

> derailing all potential high-speed rail projects for the west coast

Musk ran California’s high-speed rail through the Central Valley?

I like public transport. But America isn’t built for it. Switching to trains would mean upending and dissolving tens of millions’ communities. There was no other path without EVs and trains galore; it was—and is—between EVs and ICE cars.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by deely3 » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:33 PM UTC

CptMauli wrote: post #103

baz00 wrote: post #36

Own a Dacia. At least when it breaks the parts are cheap :) New wing mirror cost me £25!

And this is exactly why that report is somewhat misleading. On the cheaper end of cars, a lot of those are not maintained regularly, and this is the reason why they fail in the first place. And if you look closely, in most cases the reason for the fail has something to do with lights or brakes or tires. Stuff which does not cost much to fix in a Dacia, but is crazy expensive on the upper end, BMW etc. I had the first…

> On the cheaper end of cars, a lot of those are not maintained regularly,

Heh, by this logic Tesla as somehow expensive brand should be wa-a-ay below Dacia.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by xoa » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:33 PM UTC

_Algernon_ wrote: post #195

hmottestad wrote: post #181

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In Norway they revolutionised the car market. They were the very first electric car that people actually wanted to buy. If it hadn’t been for Tesla proving the market for electric cars, I don’t think any other brands would have bothered. So far in 2023 83% of all new cars are electric. In 2022 every fourth car sold (including petrol/diesel) was a Tesla. https://elbil.no/om-elbil/elbilstatistikk/ https://www.elbil24.n…

Norway has been has been massively subsidising EVs for a decade. While Tesla probably played a role in EV adoption, I think you are overstating it by a lot. If the main factor wasn't economic we would see these same stats in every other country where a Tesla can be bought.

>Norway has been has been massively subsidising EVs for a decade.

And every country has been massively subsidizing ICEs since their creation, both explicitly and implicitly (by failing to price in the enormous externalities, engaging in nasty geopolitics up to and including war for oil, tolerance for enormous human atrocities and authoritarian regimes, etc).

Economics certainly matters, but there still have to be vehicles people want to actually buy and can perform as they wish. For me BEVs haven't hit that yet even though I could afford one. Like, there's been a surprisingly slow rollout when it comes to trucks, I think the Cybertruck is the first one I'd consider a real useful (in theory) truck with a minimum of a 6.5' bed. Except build quality is apparently pants, there is all the Tesla spying, and they downgraded the max range option from 500 (paper, which they also apparently lied about) miles (which even on paper would be like 300-350 miles in winter which would be a good useful range), and other problems. Even if the US Government offered me 50% subsidies or something ludicrous for a BEV truck it wouldn't matter if there's literally nothing I want to buy. I think building cars that were actively good vs what came before mattered, as does the charging network. Even if Tesla has run into awful scaling problems and founder-syndrome as happens so often that doesn't IMO negate that.

Re: Breakdown of faults by car brand: Tesla has replaced Dacia at the bottom

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Post by flutas » Mon, Dec 25, 2023, 1:34 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #245

arpinum wrote: post #102

This is not about failure rates or an indication of quality. This is faults found during a scheduled inspection. Normally this means finding faults that occur since the last maintenance interval. If a car has a long or no maintenance interval (like Tesla) then more faults are expected. Also note that failure can mean windshield wiper needing replacement or headlight re alignment rather than a premature part failure.

> This is faults found during a scheduled inspection This implies we need an inspection regime in America. We’ve counted on servicing to catch unsafe cars. I hadn’t thought of that as something that changed.

> This implies we need an inspection regime in America.

Many states require yearly inspections already.

> Fifteen states have a periodic (annual or biennial) safety inspection program, while Maryland requires a safety inspection and Alabama requires a VIN inspection on sale or transfer of vehicles which were previously registered in another state. An additional 16 states require periodic emissions inspections.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection_in_the_Unit...