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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by DeathArrow »

zlg_codes wrote: post #21

People will leave Youtube once enough bullshit piles on. There is a point. The question is, will Google push it and trigger an exodus? I'm not sitting through ads to watch stuff. I'd rather not watch things at all than watch ads. Peer to peer networks are still around. Vimeo still exists. Pretty sure DailyMotion and friends also still exist. PeerTube and other stuff are making it easier for video communities to suppo…

>People will leave YouTube once enough bullshit piles on

Not convinced. Many watch influencers and monetized channels and they won't leave.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by fifteen1506 »

jacquesm wrote: post #234

What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. If we weren't youtube/Google wouldn't be making such a fuss. So keep it up. I can also heartily recommend the 'unhook' browser extension, it takes care of all of those upsells and feeds.

If we annoy Google enough they'll have 3 different adblock detectors available and 2 of them won't ever be loaded on the filterlist maintainers computers :)

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by ath3nd »

bad_user wrote: post #219
SiempreViernes wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, ad revenue is an important method of funding media, but that is a very different claim from saying that YouTube's implementation of ad delivery is anything close to good. The simple fact is that the ad ecosystem YouTube directs has produced lots of low effort "content" farming, enterprises focused on raw output at the expense of quality, truth, and frequently the intellectual property of others.

That may be true, but if you don't like YouTube, go somewhere else. The argument that it's your machine and you choose what to run on it no longer holds when YouTube clearly no longer wants people with ad blockers as visitors. So watch ads, pay up, or go somewhere else. I always get downvoted for stating the obvious, but YouTube's monopoly was helped by adblockers, because alternatives, like Vimeo, couldn't different…

How about no? There are anti competitive practices at place here and we are not supposed to just sit and take it, not all of us are Americans that accept unrestricted capitalism with the no breaks.

I suppose you were also fine with Unity's change of toś and pricing, but many others weren't. We sent a strong enough message to the company so that their CEO resigned and hit them hard in the wallet and now they know better. As should you.

What happened here is they cornered the market (a monopoly), and now are rising prices and making it impossible to use their product without giving them both your data AND money. The same thing can happen to your water, electricity and phone bills, if the governments didn't mandate anticompetitive practices in law. That is the same reason Verizon in the US is so expensive yet so bad in terms of value for money.

Stop pushing your 'accept it or move on' mentality on others. There is lot to be done here with collective action and government support, not every country is 'everybody on their own' and 'Big Corp rule' like the US. So stop it.

We don't want to go somewhere else unless we can help it, and are willing to fight for a better internet.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by everdrive »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #216
everdrive wrote: post #206

Possibly unrelated, but youtube videos stopped playing on Safari on my iPhone yesterday. Previously, Youtube would play via Safari, and the ads wouldn't. This was apparently a bug / unimplemented feature. I do have AdGuard (non-premium) on my phone as well as overly-aggressive lists on my Pihole, so it's possible there's something new going on there. It looks like free Youtube may be coming to an end.

I have the same setup (sans the Pihole since i have decent 5G but shitty wifi where I' sitting) and it still works. You might have to refresh the video page sometimes though before it plays.

No dice here, however I have not tried to troubleshoot my setup. I also know Youtube is A/B testing, so we might not be operating under the same conditions from the Youtube side.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by isaacremuant »

DeathArrow wrote: post #244
jacquesm wrote: post #234

What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. If we weren't youtube/Google wouldn't be making such a fuss. So keep it up. I can also heartily recommend the 'unhook' browser extension, it takes care of all of those upsells and feeds.

>What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. Until Google changes how the web works and all other browsers will align. And they can do that, since they almost own the web trough Chrome.

Then use Firefox and/or non chromium based browsers.

Don't play the game. It's not a new game. Remember when Linux was "evil commie software"?

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by Timshel »

jacquesm wrote: post #247
Timshel wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure that's the case, recent discussion on Firefox was not inspiring: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38531104 . Maybe they are making such a fuss because it works and people end up switching to chrome / removing ad block :(. Would be nice to see recent download graph of firefox or ublock origin so see if there is any impact.

For me the opposite: chrome was making an entrance on account of supporting WebMIDI and I gave them the benefit of the doubt for a bit but this is the bit that did it for me and besides some compatibility testing FF all the way for me. Google is already receiving plenty of money, if they promoted youtube as a commons they should maintain it as a commons. This bait-and-switch crap has gone more than far enough. Rememb…

I hope so :).

I just see it, in the current context of layoff, as them wanting/needing more money and hoping blocker either leave (and stop costing them bandwidth) or switch to YT Premium.

I do believe that the worsening experience on YT could be a win by making platform I want to support such as nebula more attractive. Or that it could backfire with a global adblock adoption making the current ad economy less viable.

I'm just unsure if chrome/YT is not already too entrenched and that people won't use ad blocker or switch.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by carlosjobim »

Brian_K_White wrote: post #172
RockRobotRock wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what you're saying is that people who don't watch ads and don't pay for Premium will leave the platform, that seems like a desirable outcome to Google.

Unlikely. They need all the uploaders, and the uploaders need all the viewers, and they need both of those to be in the unholy massive numbers. Well, they want. No one actually needs to be a trillion dollar business instead of a million dollar business. But the point is it's unlikely they want all non-premium users to go elsewhere, not even merely the non-premium ad-blocking users. In fact, they don't even really wan…

> and the uploaders need all the viewers

Not at all. Non-paying viewers are worth less than zero.

> Or rather, sure they'd happily collect a subscription from everyone AND still show ads and collect data. > Which is pretty much what they do actually.

What are you talking about? There are no ads with premium.

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by CubsFan1060 »

jacquesm wrote: post #234

What is most interesting about this whole adblocking war: we're winning. If we weren't youtube/Google wouldn't be making such a fuss. So keep it up. I can also heartily recommend the 'unhook' browser extension, it takes care of all of those upsells and feeds.

What does winning mean in this context?

If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads?

Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I think it's only worth $y, so I'm going to just block ads completely).

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by CubsFan1060 »

ath3nd wrote: post #253
bad_user wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That may be true, but if you don't like YouTube, go somewhere else. The argument that it's your machine and you choose what to run on it no longer holds when YouTube clearly no longer wants people with ad blockers as visitors. So watch ads, pay up, or go somewhere else. I always get downvoted for stating the obvious, but YouTube's monopoly was helped by adblockers, because alternatives, like Vimeo, couldn't different…

How about no? There are anti competitive practices at place here and we are not supposed to just sit and take it, not all of us are Americans that accept unrestricted capitalism with the no breaks. I suppose you were also fine with Unity's change of toś and pricing, but many others weren't. We sent a strong enough message to the company so that their CEO resigned and hit them hard in the wallet and now they know bett…

I'm curious -- what do you want to happen in this situation? What is your best desired outcome? It sounds like you are arguing that video sharing sites are a utility?
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