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Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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post #121

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It's not tofu's fault, but it kind of is tofu's problem imo, since it seems to be a common view. Until a couple of years ago I had pretty much the same view as GP, that tofu was bland with an unpleasant texture and I couldn't imagine anyone eating it for pleasure - based on my experiences of how it was cooked/served by restaurants and friends here in England. Eventually I tried a tofu dish while sharing plates with a…

I mean, disliking a food because it was cooked incorrectly is the problem of the eater, not the food. I can cook a steak well-done, that doesn't mean all steak is now bad.

If you're going to be pedantic then clearly steak and tofu are both dead forms of protein so they don't care whether people eat them or not. When I said it's a problem for the food I obviously (I thought) meant that in western countries it's a problem from the point of view of it becoming a popular food.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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post #251

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I mean, disliking a food because it was cooked incorrectly is the problem of the eater, not the food. I can cook a steak well-done, that doesn't mean all steak is now bad.

If you're going to be pedantic then clearly steak and tofu are both dead forms of protein so they don't care whether people eat them or not. When I said it's a problem for the food I obviously (I thought) meant that in western countries it's a problem from the point of view of it becoming a popular food.

It's a problem because it's cooked incorrectly in the Western world. That's again not the problem of the food itself but of people not learning to cook it properly.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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post #22

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Out of curiosity, how does OpenJDK not get sued into fine pulp over this? Oracle owns the Java trademark and aren’t exactly known for being kind in matters of litigation.

OpenJDK is now the open-part of the JDK which multiple groups provide builds and customizations for. What I think you are talking about when you say OpenJDK is called Adoptium now ( https://adoptopenjdk.net/releases.html ). Earlier called Adopt OpenJDK. Similarly Eclipse folks named their project Temurin and so on.

Those are the same:

https://adoptium.net/

“Eclipse Temurin is the name of the OpenJDK distribution from Adoptium.”

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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No, and I never suggested they are, what point are you trying to make?

Question to you, I guess. How is the sponsor relevant for the ability of an engineer to ship?

I didn't question the ability of engineers to ship.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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post #136

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AGPL is seen as a no-go by most companies. It's viewed as risky because the obligations associated with it are often unclear.

Then they can pay for an alternative licence for their closed source project. It's a win/win/win, open source projects will still support it, so you don't get the backlash from the community, while those who just want to take will either pay or find a different project. With BSL and similar, you end up looking like the "bad guy", and the forkers look like the "good guys". With AGPL you will still look like the open s…

The problem is that as far as many corporations are concerned, AGPL doesn't count as "open source we dare to use", and thus a AGPL+commercial software vendor doesn't get the benefit of companies adopting the "non-Enterprise flavor" first/easily/via grassroots.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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Question to you, I guess. How is the sponsor relevant for the ability of an engineer to ship?

I didn't question the ability of engineers to ship.

Whatever point you were making, it would benefit from being made explicitly.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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post #123

This name confuses me as I usually expect things named "OpenFoobar" to be open versions of "Foobar" (see: OpenJDK, OpenTTD), but here that’s not the case.

Opensearch

> Opensearch

In that case it’s quite obvious that "search" is not a product, and so this should be an open-source search engine.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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This, so much this. HashiCorp pricing just made it simply impossible to pay them. Their plan was to provide a free offering that was very good, get companies hooked, and then charge our the nose for any enterprisy feature. The problem was how they charged, which they don't reveal until after you contact sales. You could build a solution using the free offering that works very well. Then years later want something pai…

> 1 million a year buys a lot of development and operational Not all that much. At a global enterprise, for instance, that buys a couple senior systems engineers with SDLC experience after you include all the per-employee overhead that doubles their cost beyond their comp. Terraform saves the enterprise far more than that in overhead. If Terraform provides even 10% lift across 1000 seats, that's many times its cost.…

I think the point is that those three senior engineers could figure out how to do some SAML wrapper or remote execution on top of Open-Source Terraform instead of paying for the turn-key “Enterprise” features.

Re: OpenTF is now OpenTofu

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post #185

I believe Dave McJannet, HashiCorp's CEO, should be concerned. OpenTofu has garnered massive support, with the project gaining admission to the Linux Foundation and even receiving public support from companies like Allianz. Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture characterized by a large workforce that strives to do as little as possible, relying solely on the dedication of a few committed employees, m…

> Within HashiCorp, the CEO has fostered a toxic culture That is a serious accusation. What backup do you have for this statement?

There are numerous public and private sources to gather information. One of the public sources is to read Glassdoor reviews.
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