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ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by vetinari »

xbmcuser wrote: post #208
lrem wrote: post #145

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It does 4k HDR and ATMOS. What does it lack?

I use it with Kodi and Jellyfin as well use streaming apps such as Netflix as well as geforce now. But its processor is old and it shows its age when going through movie collections. It does not support VP9 and now the new coming AV1 codec. So for someone getting a new device today I would not recommend it as the price premium they are asking for a 7-8 year old processor based device I feel is not worth it. With a Je…

Shield does support VP9 as such; what it doesn't support is VP9 Profile 2 (i.e. 10 and 12 bit decoding).

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by criddell »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #240
criddell wrote: post #193

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How are you trapped in the ecosystem? A Mac Mini can run more software than any of their competitors (you can’t install macOS on a VM on a Windows or Linux host but the reverse is possible). Even on the hardware side you are free to connect third party drives, monitors, keyboards, etc…

You can actually install Mac os in a VM on Linux or Windows. It's not a technical issue, it's that Apple tries to make it hard to do so.

Yeah, it’s a legal issue.

My point mostly was that if you buy a Mac Mini, you aren’t really trapped.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by stevefan1999 »

prmoustache wrote: post #209
stevefan1999 wrote: post #201

I uses a NUC9 with hackintosh as my music production workstation. Although Apple is phasing out x86, it still have a lifespan of abput 2 to 3 years until Logic Pro no longer works.

Does Logic Pro phone home to startup? If not you could just have a much longer lifespan provided you don't care about updating Logic and the underlying OS, which is ok if that box is not connected to vulnerable machines and the internet.

I specifically chose the i7 version of the NUC 9 Extreme Kit aka Ghost Canyon, just because MBP Late 2019 has the i7-9750H (spoiler alert: they have the same CPU), so it is still pretty decent in terms of spec, but I don't get the chance to try out the new AI stuff on Apple Silicon.

Another thing though, I attached my 6600 XT ITX card into the Ghost Canyon so it can also carry out huge heavylifting of video editing, which I planned on using Final Cut Pro for such so.

Unfortunately, Apple removed the Broadcom drivers/kext in the latest public beta, the macOS Sonoma apparently raised the supported devices to 2017 and that's when Apple started to use custom built-in chip from Broadcom which can't be used as a M.2. Wifi module. Apple is fucking with most of the Hackintosh users this way and it is clear they waited for a long time.

So, until we can find a way to inject the legacy Broadcom drivers into Sonoma, the Hackintosh network connectivity situation is uncertain and dire.

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Post by tjoff »

criddell wrote: post #253
BenjiWiebe wrote: post #240

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You can actually install Mac os in a VM on Linux or Windows. It's not a technical issue, it's that Apple tries to make it hard to do so.

Yeah, it’s a legal issue. My point mostly was that if you buy a Mac Mini, you aren’t really trapped.

The kind of mental gymnastics people go through...

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Post by j45 »

prima-facie wrote: post #199
baz00 wrote: post #144

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Yes this. The tiny PCs tend to have mobile CPUs in them as well which can feel a little sluggish. You can get a decent small desktop for the same money. I have a Lenovo Neo 50s as my main computer with a 12400, 32Gb of RAM and 1TB SN850X SSD in it. Very nice, quiet and reliable machine.

The Tiny/Mini/Micro series from Lenovo/HP/Dell don't use mobile CPUs at all, but the throttled (T) versions of their desktop counterparts. They're even socketed, so you could swap them out. I use a Dell OptiPlex 7000 Micro having an i5-12500T CPU as my main dev machine and it's very snappy. Add a monitor and mount it on a MFS18 stand and you have a nice all-in-one system.

This secret might get out now :)

So many cores and threads for so few watts.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by j45 »

user_named wrote: post #197
baz00 wrote: post #144

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Yes this. The tiny PCs tend to have mobile CPUs in them as well which can feel a little sluggish. You can get a decent small desktop for the same money. I have a Lenovo Neo 50s as my main computer with a 12400, 32Gb of RAM and 1TB SN850X SSD in it. Very nice, quiet and reliable machine.

Yeah but for the same money as your Lenovo, you can get something much smaller.

Physical size generally matters to a certain extent, compared to the small amount of electricity for the computing power.

2 values I like comparing:

- Computing power (cpu benchmark) / per watt is a good comparison.

- After that, comparing those to compute power per dollar ratio really lays a clear picture out.

The NUCs are definitely smaller than the USSF boards (roughly mac mini size), but not enough that it has stood out.

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Post by katbyte »

asciimov wrote: post #55
adastra22 wrote: post #28

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Would a Mac mini work?

Biggest problem with the Mac mini is it has no user upgradable parts, nuc does.

Nah the biggest problem (for intel macmini) is there is no easy t2 applesmc support in the Linux kernel so you have zero fan control without patching and building a new kernal and I never figured out how to do it

I have my old Mac mini and a 10th gen nuc in a proxmox cluster and they are basically the same. except I had to upgrade the nuc to give it nvme and 10g where as the macmini already had that. And then because I lack fan control on the mini slap a giant heat sink on top and point some fans at it

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by HeyLaughingBoy »

sofixa wrote: post #236
phpisthebest wrote: post #207

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I bought it for Price The Intel NUC Celeron systems could not be met for price if you also needed Windows. To beat the NUC Celeron on price you had to drop to ARM and use Linux but if the software you needed to run only supported Windows that was not an option. the Celeron NUC's where GREAT for Line of Business use cases where the computer was running a Screen, or Single windows Application

For just running a screen not only is Windows a massive waste in terms of resources and costs, but so is a NUC. A Raspberry Pi (equivalent) is more than sufficient.

Depends on what the screen is doing. We deployed a system with multiple Raspberry Pi's running Chrome in kiosk mode, each driving a TV showing different data.

For one of them we had to switch from a Raspberry Pi to a small NUC to display a page with 3-6 videos running. The pi could show 1 or 2 videos but with all 6 going, it was very stuttery playback.

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