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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by mjburgess »

dagw wrote: post #207
4dregress wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented. Oh the good old days :(

On the one hand I feel exactly like you do, on the other hand I observe that my teenage daughter is making real friends on discord and game servers, just like I did on usenet and forums. So maybe it's you/me getting older rather than (just) the internet changing. Oh the good old days :( As do I, but I suspect much of what I miss is simply just being young and free and all that comes with that.

The trajectory of discord might be: under-charge and bring in users to supply content; increase charge when users now depend on that content; fail & monetize their data and their attention; succeed & implode because users dont want their attention/data monetized.

This would be less of an issue if users had clear legal rights (perhaps IP rights) to their own data.

I'd have fewer problems with "commercial platforms" if they couldn't rent-seek on free labour, ie., if the created content could be easily "replatformed".

Perhaps that's the next phase of the privacy war: the right to replatform.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by null0pointer »

seydor wrote: post #102
geepytee wrote: post #14

Very interesting comments in the thread, seems like a lot of people think Reddit can continue without the mods, new mods can be assigned, new subreddits can be created.

They are also banning people who disagree with the protest in that thread

Wouldn’t expect any less from a reddit mod tbh.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by 2-718-281-828 »

Anon4Now wrote: post #238
2-718-281-828 wrote: post #214

i find my self mentioning this in several of the reddit threads on here because i think it is an important if only historic fact that reddit was not just founded by aaron swartz (i hope you know who that was) _and_ huffman! let that sink in. that's a sad irony and refutes the notion huffman doesn't know what reddit is about. also even if reddit will just continue as if nothing happened - which i believe it will - it…

Huffman co-founded Reddit with Alexis Ohanian. Aaron Swartz joined later when his company was acquired by Reddit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reddit#History

6 months later.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by pmoriarty »

jachee wrote: post #177
mise_en_place wrote: post #32

The Reddit IPO is shaping up to be the biggest pump and dump scam in recent history. The question is, how bad will the liquidity be when the sell side of the order book vastly exceeds the buy side.

Hmmm. Can you short an IPO? (/s, but only halfway.)

Reddit's going to be fine.

This is a tempest in a teapot.

The vast majority of users are going to come back (if they ever left), because there's really nowhere else for them to go.

The news cycle is going to move to something else in a couple of weeks, and this whole fiasco is going to be just yet another obscure footnote in internet history.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by Kiro »

mjburgess wrote: post #251
dagw wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand I feel exactly like you do, on the other hand I observe that my teenage daughter is making real friends on discord and game servers, just like I did on usenet and forums. So maybe it's you/me getting older rather than (just) the internet changing. Oh the good old days :( As do I, but I suspect much of what I miss is simply just being young and free and all that comes with that.

The trajectory of discord might be: under-charge and bring in users to supply content; increase charge when users now depend on that content; fail & monetize their data and their attention; succeed & implode because users dont want their attention/data monetized. This would be less of an issue if users had clear legal rights (perhaps IP rights) to their own data. I'd have fewer problems with "commercial platforms" if…

What's the free labour on Discord?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by dale_glass »

paulmd wrote: post #167
paganel wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one You don't negotiate with blackmailers, because this is what this is now, blackmail. If things continue like this I give it 5 to 7 days until reddit the company forcefully removes these mods.

Yeah it’s now “oh and maybe we’ll do ‘touch grass tuesdays’ in perpetuity”. That’s an incredibly unsympathetic message imo. Get real. If anyone thinks a business is going to tolerate a clique of powermods choosing to randomly shut things down according to their own schedule… they’re gonna be disappointed. Let alone I’ve seen some people thinking they can demand a hand in the corporate governance? Yeah fuck no powermo…

They can do that of course, but if they do so, I'm leaving.

Basically what I do on Reddit is to subscribe to the vision of a given group of mods. They're the ones I come to the site for, not Reddit the company.

Eg, r/AskHistorians is good because it's run with an iron fist by the mods. When I come there I come seeking precisely that -- a well curated content archive that contains all wheat and zero chaff.

If Reddit forces them off, and they create www.askhistorians.com, then I'm making a account there.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by reagent_finder »

spondylosaurus wrote: post #216
reagent_finder wrote: post #150

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The biggest problem with Reddit is that their only source of revenue basically demands you to create a completely new ad for ONLY that platform. For everything else you can just make an iframe, drop whatever malicious blinking crap you want, send it to the wild and let ad networks sell and resell space and sometimes drop your ad in it, pay pennies for clicks and even less pennies for each time it's been served. They…

What's interesting about the "they should go programmatic" argument is that programmatic ads are increasingly less lucrative thanks to low-quality traffic and the perceived ineffectiveness of cookie-based retargeting. (Yes, please, show me a hundred banner ads for that pair of pants I literally just purchased!) Programmatic ads also tend to generate more profit for the middlemen who broker transactions than they do f…

Don't disagree with anything there.

There's no reason they couldn't do both, really. They could have spaces for traditional ads, and they could have those direct partnerships.

Direct partnerships might be nice in theory, but it will always require a separate decision and process from the company to partner with Reddit. Considering there are hundreds of different avenues people could be advertising on, I'm guessing Reddit is kind of low on the list.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by MattGaiser »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #125

This is reminding me of when all the Vine power creators banded together and tried to make demands or they would "stop creating" and all it resulted in was Twitter deleting them and their entire website. Don't be surprised if Reddit starts taking some pretty drastic action here on the grounds that they're violating one of the site's oldest rules which is "don't break Reddit". Not saying it's good or bad, but just tha…

Joke is on Vine there. Tiktok came to rule social media.
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