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Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by the_gipsy »

prox wrote: post #39
jampa wrote: post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

What is “our teams are on it” in this context? PR or media influencing? What could teams mean here and what do they do?

Just everybody working at the company.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by abashore »

johnboyega wrote: post #96

server costs money and reddit is not charity either. If they provide a good product that you use everyday, then why cant they charge for the api?

They certainly can (and probably should) charge for the api. The problems we see now are the communications surrounding it, the price and the timeline.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by 4dregress »

mjburgess wrote: post #56

The first 10 years of the internet were volunteers creating for other volunteers. The next 10 was volunteers for 'users'. The last 10, for corporations. The commons built in the 90s was turned into a playground in the 2000s and is now a oil well being mined by megacorps. What, I hope, interest rates are doing is shifting the balance of power to its natural point: the commons is owned by the volunteers. Megacorp's abi…

I can't agree with this enough. The internet today is a cesspit, it needs a git reset hard back to the days when communities were based around forums. I made a lot of real life friends from the forums I frequented.

Oh the good old days :(

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by alpaca128 »

menage wrote: post #46
Terr_ wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems like a non-starter: The average person who wants a better smartphone experience is not going to jump through the hoops of registering their "own app" (which would be a lie) and then transcribing IDs/secrets into their phone.

Reddit could offer a premium membership that allows add-free and API access, and require the third-party apps to log in on behalf of the user. The fee might still turn a lot of people off (although the lack of ads would make it so much nicer), but it at least wouldn't be a technical hurdle. That model seems to work for YouTube.

Or they could just continue having their current premium model that doesn't involve the third-party apps they so despise. Reddit premium is a thing already, too bad both the official app and website sucks.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by dehrmann »

paganel wrote: post #85
jampa wrote: post #22

It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one, he could compromise a bit by at least expanding the deadline on the pricing changes, but instead he decides to provoke and double down. The leaked internal memo, which is obvious that would leak (after all it is a 2,000 person company) is a clear provocation: > We do anticipate many of them will come back by Wednesday, as many have said as…

> It’s impressive how their CEO keeps shooting himself in the foot on this one You don't negotiate with blackmailers, because this is what this is now, blackmail. If things continue like this I give it 5 to 7 days until reddit the company forcefully removes these mods.

They don't have the resources to take on that much moderation at scale. Maybe given two years and a big tech budget or six months and a big moderator budget.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by tut-urut-utut »

gary_0 wrote: post #92
larksimian wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bollocks. Tumblr is still around and probably has been losing money for longer than people here have been alive. No one is throwing away the kind of audience reddit has. Now the CEO might lose his job, but let's not get that twisted up with Reddit's survival.

Tumblr went from selling for $1B in 2013 to $3M in 2019. The brand persists but as a business it's a dismal failure. If Reddit follows that arc it will be a dismal failure as well.

Why should we care if it’s financial failure for its owners as long as it brings the same value to its users?

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by Whatarethese »

johnboyega wrote: post #96

server costs money and reddit is not charity either. If they provide a good product that you use everyday, then why cant they charge for the api?

They certainly can and its their right, but it's clear that they are working in bad faith and want to just close all 3rd party access. Their API costs are orders of magnitude more than any business out there.

Re: The Reddit blackout will continue

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Post by oslac »

Only instability introduced so far was by the subs going private. For some communities that are already notoriously unstable, this is not a particularly good look and makes me reconsider things.
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