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Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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How is Discord even a closest alternative? Everything is on its own "server" and conversations happen in real-time, not async like Reddit.

I hate Discord for killing classic forums and therefore robbing us of good searchable niche content.

Not sure how Discord killed forums, they are more like IRC which had existed for a long time alongside forums.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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I have a 14yo reddit account, and was a Digg user for years prior to that. While there were scandals like the HDDVD code stuff, ultimately the user-hostile Digg v4 redesign killed it for me- the day they forced it on everyone I never went back. Tonight watching all the subreddits go private is the first time I’ve ever felt like Reddit is the next to die. If anyone from reddit corporate is reading this, understand tha…

As much as I would like to believe that boycotts can work, I'm just too cynical after seeing all those boycotts doing nothing. My old.reddit.com homepage hasn't change much. Missing is r/ProgrammerHumor but r/Programming is there, alongside with r/darksky, r/wallstreetbets etc. All the porn seems to be there too, which might actually move some numbers if gone dark. The only sub which I care and it's gone is r/StableD…

/u/spez is a mod at /r/programming

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Anyone else remember the great Digg exodus? It’s wild watching Reddit quickly following the footsteps. Steve Huffman (aka Spez) let his true colors shine, with (IPO) dollar signs in his eyes.

One of the major differences is that there’s no clear alternative. Digg and Reddit had a lot of overlap in what they were trying to do immediately prior to Digg’s redesign. Reddit was an obvious place to go if you preferred Digg up until that point. Now what’s the clear alternative to Reddit? Discord is probably the closest just from a UX perspective and I expect to be finding stuff there that I used to find on Reddi…

It's true that the lack of choices back then (other that spezzit) contributed majorly to the migration. But I also think a new paradigm entirely is needed for social media after the fiasco of all the centralized ones, decentralized social media.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Reddit won't die for the same reason Facebook won't... there's no real viable alternative for the majority of the users. It might become a bit shitter, it might lose a few users who are a bit more tech savvy or from the "old days of the internet" who'll find themselves fedi or forum based alternatives but the majority will keep getting what they want out of it without a reason to move - most users probably use the of…

It pains me to say it, but I think you're right. Reddit for most normies is just another app to consume memes but with comments. I don't think Reddit wants to continue focusing on comments and longer form content. The only advantage to them to keep comments is higher pageviews and ads. The niche communities are starting to go back to their own platforms or Discord.

Anecdotally, I've seen more and more comments that remind me of Facebook, a platform I deleted my account for 8 or 9 years ago. I left FB to get away from the brainrot and if Reddit is bringing in more and more of these users, I'd rather go somewhere else.

I've added Reddit.com to my Ublock list and am removing Apollo from my home screen. If Reddit doesn't turn this around, I'll be uninstalling at the end of the month. I don't have high hopes.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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post #71

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at this point, there is only 1 way to save reddit, and it's so drastic that they wont do it because the ones who need to do it are too blind or too far away * fire spez * promise a clear committed roadmap of mod tools * promise to review 3rd party API pricing, and delay the current rollout It's literally the only way that will be accepted by the 1% that keep the site running (read the Ennui engine principle)

Is there any good reads wrt the blowback on cost of the API? I've only read that it costs $0.25 per 1000 calls which seems relatively cheap, but I haven't looked into how it affects use cases.

Here's a write-up from the Apollo app developer: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca...

Some key takeaways:

> Apollo made 7 billion requests last month, which would put it at about 1.7 million dollars per month, or 20 million US dollars per year. Even if I only kept subscription users, the average Apollo user uses 344 requests per day, which would cost $2.50 per month, which is over double what the subscription currently costs, so I'd be in the red every month.

> I'm deeply disappointed in this price. Reddit iterated that the price would be A) reasonable and based in reality, and B) they would not operate like Twitter. Twitter's pricing was publicly ridiculed for its obscene price of $42,000 for 50 million tweets. Reddit's is still $12,000. For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.

> For Apollo, the average user uses 344 requests daily, or 10.6K monthly. With the proposed API pricing, the average user in Apollo would cost $2.50, which is is 20x higher than a generous estimate of what each users brings Reddit in revenue.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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post #149

Why is it that companies go towards bad UX when they start ramping up profits? Download size is one thing, but ignoring that, how is it that they thought the new (Reddit) website was a good idea? Sure it's mobile friendly, but it's barely useable on mobile and desktop? For example: why do I have to constantly click read more? This seems to be a common thing with all kinds of companies, Digg, Facebook, many others. It…

Not based on anything I can verify, but my feeling is that when a company gets to a certain size and becomes high profile, it will attract certain types of employees as well. The more high profile, the more a UI/UX department will want to put their stamp on it. Instead of looking at what would make the product more user friendly and accessible, they'll be attracted to the shiny new things that they can do, simply because they can. The little nuances that are present in the old are allowed to fester until all of them combined lead to a general view that the whole thing is crap. Instead of doing small incremental improvements, they'll convince everybody (up to c-level) that a complete overhaul is the only way to move forward. This usually tends to happen in an echo chamber, where everybody who doesn't have the same vision of grandeur is excluded as part of the conversation. That, combined with business goals around profitability, is a dangerous thing to happen, and from my experience usually ends up in tears.

But hey, I like boring things ;-)

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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post #173
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As much as I would like to believe that boycotts can work, I'm just too cynical after seeing all those boycotts doing nothing. My old.reddit.com homepage hasn't change much. Missing is r/ProgrammerHumor but r/Programming is there, alongside with r/darksky, r/wallstreetbets etc. All the porn seems to be there too, which might actually move some numbers if gone dark. The only sub which I care and it's gone is r/StableD…

A lot of the LLM ML communities have moved to Discord for bleeding edge development, as far as I know.

Which is a damn shame, because discord is an unsearchable walled garden.

I really, really don't hope much of reddit moves to discord, it would be a disaster for the usability of search engines.

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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post #167

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spez even infamously abused his admin access to edit another posters comment a while back. Calling it a dorm room shitshow is an insult to dorm rooms everywhere.

He was correct to do this, because it was funny. Any true longtime forum poster would recognize this. (Conversely, if it wasn't funny, he should've done it differently.) Although doing Lowtax things may lead to turning into Lowtax, which is probably bad. I can certainly tell you it's not a serious problem, because it'd be illegal if it was. All serious problems with websites are revenue issues or legal issues.

It wasn't funny, and he didn't make any jokes. He edited "fuck spez" comments to remove spez and substitute other mods.

Fuck r/the_donald - but that's just blatant admin power misuse to deflect criticism. Very topical with all the "fuck u/spez" comments going around these days.

https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/23/13739026/reddit-ceo-stev...

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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post #186

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Followed some of the links shared here, I fully agree now that the CEO should go. Earlier, he compromised the integrity of people’s speech by editing their posts: https://www.wired.co.uk/article/reddit-edit-post

I can see why they might want someone with the ability to edit posts (removing extreme TOS stuff - racism, hate speech etc). But that's probably not for the CEO and certainly shouldn't be used simply to "troll the trolls" Also it's baffling to me that the CEO of reddit is a regular user and somehow isn't up in arms about how irritating it is to use the site.

How palpable would the irony be if he's an old.reddit.com guy?

Re: Fark redesign is now live (2007)

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Techy/young people think that they are the intended audience of Reddit. You're not anymore. The intended audience is _bigger_. It's like how Facebook shifted from young college folks to kids, moms, grandpas, and mainly companies. The original users of Facebook left, but Facebook still grew. Now it's Reddit's turn to swap its original user base with a bigger target audience.

And do you think that new demographic will be willing to put in the same unpaid hours to moderate the site?

Nope. They'll just outsource this to underpaid contractors like Facebook does.
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