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De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Being someone from back in those days they'll tell you to load up that software that fits in some small amount of memory. You'll find most of it is crash filled hot garbage missing the features you need. And the moment you wanted to add new features you'd start importing libraries bloating the size of the application.

So you would say programs today are equally efficient and more stable, just have more features?

In generally I would say far more stable and far more features.

But this of course is in the metrics of how you measure. Windows 3.1 for example was a huge crashing piece of crap that was locking up all the damned time. MacOS at the time wasn't that much better. Now I can leave windows up for a month at a time between security reboots. Specialized Windows and Linux machines in server environments on a reduced patching schedule will stay up far longer, but generally security updates are what limits the uptime.

I remember running Windows applications and receiving buffer overflow errors back then. If you got a buffer overflow message today you'd think that either your hardware is going bad or someone wrote a terrible security flaw into your application. And back there were security flaws everywhere. 'Smashing the stack for fun and profit' wasn't wrote till '95, well after consumers had started getting on the internet in mass. And if you were using applications like Word or Excel you could expect to measure 'crashes' per week rather than the crashes per month, many of which are completely recoverable in applications like office.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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youre cursed like the rest of us and you will use windows only on work machines AND GAME MACHINES and linux for personal EDIT: spelling and attempted to adjust elegance

Not really Proton on Steam runs all my games just fine on Linux.

I use an Intel Arc A380 and on Linux it was using DXVK from day one, and therefore the performance issues Winders folks had weren’t a problem for me at all. It did get seriously better with kernel 6.2 recently though.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Which? I've only noticed lack of right click on taskbar, which sucks, but I don't see other things that need fix

Can I put the taskbar along the left side of the screen yet?

No, Microsoft knows better than the user.

"Nobody uses that feature, what are you, a Linux user!?" /s

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Not 11 but the "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSC 2021" is significantly better if you want an (official) full fledged Windows OS without the bloat. I'm using that on the Steam Deck w/ dual booting and it's perfect

Just learned about this. I wish I could get some ameliorated.info scripts for that build. I might be willing to try Winders again in that case. There are some older win32 applications that I miss.

I just use Intel’s Clear Linux so… meh.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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> Accessibility includes interaction design, zoom ability, audio commands, action link ups, alternate rendering modes, alternate motion modes, hooks for assistive devices to interact with the system. It goes far deeper into the system than just labels for a screen reader. I wonder where the current status quo lies in regards to both desktop computing and web applications/sites. Which OSes and which GUI frameworks for…

> Which OSes and which GUI frameworks for those are the best or worst, how do they compare? Hands down macOS/iOS are the leaders here with Cocoa/SwiftUI/UIKit etc (ultimately basically the same). The OS also has many hooks to allow third party frameworks to tie in to the accessibility. Windows is second in my opinion. Microsoft does some good work here but it’s not as extensive in terms of integrations and pervasiven…

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Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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Tell that to the person on a fixed income who has to invest in an expensive new machine because their 2015 laptop (which still has a whopping 4 GB of memory and a CPU that would have been top-of-the-line twenty years ago) has become unusably slow. Software efficiency is a serious equity and environmental issue, and I wish more people would see it that way.

This is why I argue that one of the best things that the Free/Libre software developer community can start doing is optimizing for lower spec machines. Microsoft and Apple are either too closely nit or drectly provide hardware to be prolonging the liftime of hardware they sell. In optimizing open OS's it can prolong the life time of hardware by a significant margin and it means that lower in come folks are not left i…

>This is why I argue that one of the best things that the Free/Libre software developer community can start doing is optimizing for lower spec machines.

But isn't the primary application for these machines going to be the web browser, which is pulling in so much JS insanity that the web sites won't render well anyway?

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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> HDR, fluid animations, monstrous resolutions That's the job of the GPU driver, mostly. > 3D everything That's the desktop compositor. Windows 7 already had one and ran on 1 GB of RAM. > accessibility Not everyone needs it, so it should be an optional installable component for those who do. > fancy APIs for easier development allowing for more features That still use win32 under the hood. Again, .net has existed for…

I want touchscreen support on Windows. But guess what? Multitouch worked in Windows 7. If Windows still supported theming basic controls then Microsoft could enable touch screen support in most applications by setting a theme, similar to how they enhance contrast if you enable that feature. I understand that bigger stuff and better graphics involve more RAM and the switch to 64 bit doubled the pointer sizes (which is…

Few companies want to pay the exuberant costs for (good) native development given the ratio of devs working at the Js level vs. below.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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I think the two top questions lots of Windows users would like answered now are: 0- Did they also remove telemetry and similar malware? 1- Is it usable for gaming? I mean, didn't they also remove anything important among the cruft? I have memories of shrunk XP "distros" back in the day that were hacked to the point they refused to run a lot of software.

Telemetry isn't malware.

Depends upon your perspective.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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They may update regularly but that doesn't mean they only use modern features. E.g. even just Steam itself (not just games in it) is largely still 32 bit on Windows requiring gigabytes of 32 bit compatibility files using interfaces going back decades even though Windows 11 itself doesn't have a 32 bit version anymore.

Sorry but does it mean some games can't play on windows 11 steam?

Windows has no 32bit release but 64bit Windows has everything to run 32bit software.

Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM

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It really staggers me the lengths some people will go to try and preserve something that is actively against them, when there are alternatives right there. I'm not saying Linux is for everyone, but the kind of people creating and running these scripts really should have no issue daily driving Ubuntu or even Arch. Or if they desperately need photoshop or whatever, get a mac. It's like watching people constantly go bac…

It really staggers me the lengths some people will go to try and preserve something that is actively against them, when there are alternatives right there.

The same can be said for those working on jailbreaks and the M1 Linux project, as well as all of the cracking/hacking scene. For some people, it's far more interesting and enjoyable to fight --- and possibly win --- than just "abandoning ship".

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