It doesn't take much tinfoil to imagine hardware vendors appreciating bloated OSes: these drive the user up market by necessity. If everything stayed trim and fast, they'd have no reason to upgrade every year. In exchange for this favor, plus a little more grease, the OEMs were more willing to collect the MS Tax on every PC and lock out all others.
De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
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Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#242Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wish I could upvote you a thousand times. This this and this a 100%. It's sad today's "developers" will look at this and just say "ok, boomer"...
Being someone from back in those days they'll tell you to load up that software that fits in some small amount of memory. You'll find most of it is crash filled hot garbage missing the features you need. And the moment you wanted to add new features you'd start importing libraries bloating the size of the application.
So you would say programs today are equally efficient and more stable, just have more features?
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
how much backwards compatability do i neee nowadays? my laptop only needs to run a few things: browser vscode steam the microsoft drawing app some office stuff sublime discord which all update pretty regularly. the age of the desktop app has been replaced by the age of the browser and electron based apps. i can imagine businesses who built their own set ups back in the age of the desktop app being stuck with it, but…
They may update regularly but that doesn't mean they only use modern features. E.g. even just Steam itself (not just games in it) is largely still 32 bit on Windows requiring gigabytes of 32 bit compatibility files using interfaces going back decades even though Windows 11 itself doesn't have a 32 bit version anymore.
Sorry but does it mean some games can't play on windows 11 steam?
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#244Earlier quoted context omitted.
how much backwards compatability do i neee nowadays? my laptop only needs to run a few things: browser vscode steam the microsoft drawing app some office stuff sublime discord which all update pretty regularly. the age of the desktop app has been replaced by the age of the browser and electron based apps. i can imagine businesses who built their own set ups back in the age of the desktop app being stuck with it, but…
They may update regularly but that doesn't mean they only use modern features. E.g. even just Steam itself (not just games in it) is largely still 32 bit on Windows requiring gigabytes of 32 bit compatibility files using interfaces going back decades even though Windows 11 itself doesn't have a 32 bit version anymore.
Oh I got your point, that's why this thing exist!
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
Until someone at Microsoft notices and puts in a DMCA.
IA has a carve out exemption
I don’t think so? This only talks about the anti-circumvention clause: https://archive.org/about/dmca.php
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#246Let’s pause for a bit and dwell on the absurd amount of RAM it takes to run it even after this exercise. Anyone here remember when QNX shipped a demo in 2000 with a kernel, GUI, web browser and an email client on a single 3.5” floppy? The memory footprint was also a few megabytes. I’m not saying we should be staying within some miserly arbitrary constraints, but my goodness something that draws UI and manages process…
> Let’s pause for a bit and dwell on the absurd amount of RAM it takes to run it even after this exercise. I agree and I find the apologists to be completely wrong. I run a modern system: 38" screen, 2 Gbit/s fiber to the home. I'm not "stuck in the past" with a 17" screen or something. The thing flies. It's screaming fast as it should be. But I run a lean Debian Linux system, with a minimal window manager. It's defi…
I love this comment for getting at what, in my opinion, Linux on the desktop is all about: spending your time with a computer that just plain feels great to use.
It doesn't look the same for everyone, of course. It's not about some universalizable value like minimalism. But this is a great example of one of the dimensions in which a Linux desktop can just feel really great in an almost physical way.
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#247Honestly, I just gave up after I bought my last computer, installed POP OS and installed Steam and have so far been able to play all my games without a single issue, except The Witcher 3 which only required a configuration change and I was golden. I will use Windows only on work machines but on personal machines its Linux for me from now on.
youre cursed like the rest of us and you will use windows only on work machines AND GAME MACHINES and linux for personal EDIT: spelling and attempted to adjust elegance
Spot the guy who hasn't used Proton yet. It runs Windows games better than Windows does.
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#248Let’s pause for a bit and dwell on the absurd amount of RAM it takes to run it even after this exercise. Anyone here remember when QNX shipped a demo in 2000 with a kernel, GUI, web browser and an email client on a single 3.5” floppy? The memory footprint was also a few megabytes. I’m not saying we should be staying within some miserly arbitrary constraints, but my goodness something that draws UI and manages process…
> Let’s pause for a bit and dwell on the absurd amount of RAM it takes to run it even after this exercise. I agree and I find the apologists to be completely wrong. I run a modern system: 38" screen, 2 Gbit/s fiber to the home. I'm not "stuck in the past" with a 17" screen or something. The thing flies. It's screaming fast as it should be. But I run a lean Debian Linux system, with a minimal window manager. It's defi…
So, how much RAM does it take? You let that bit out.
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Accessibility includes interaction design, zoom ability, audio commands, action link ups, alternate rendering modes, alternate motion modes, hooks for assistive devices to interact with the system. It goes far deeper into the system than just labels for a screen reader. I wonder where the current status quo lies in regards to both desktop computing and web applications/sites. Which OSes and which GUI frameworks for…
> it seemed straight up broken because it couldn't reach my site: https://wave.webaim.org/ It worked for me, it found lots of color contrast problems (white-on-light purple has low contrast). https://wave.webaim.org/report#/https://kronis.dev/ WAVE is also available as a browser extension. Accessibility checkers can be helpful, particularly for catching basic errors before they ship. The large majority of accessibili…
"The large majority of accessibility problems a site can have cannot be identified by software"
Bold statement. I used to work in exactly that area and the reality is humans often simply don't bother finding many of the accessibility issues that automated tools can and do find. Even if such a tool isn't able to accurately pinpoint every possible issue, and inevitably gives a number of false positives (the classic being expecting everything to have ALT text, even when images are essentially decorative and don't provide information to the user), the use of it at least provides a starting point for humans to be able to realistically find the most serious issues and ensure they're addressed.
However I would never claim that good accessibility support requires significantly more (e.g. >2x) resources, and certainly not at the OS level. In fact, you typically get better accessibility if you use the built-in OS (or browser) provided controls, which are less resource intensive than the fancy custom ones app seems to like using these days (even MS's own apps are heavy on custom-controls for everything).
Re: De-Bloated Windows 11 Build Runs on 2GB of RAM
#250Windows at this point only exists to provide worse user experience on purpose and collect as much personal data as Microsoft possibly can.
Not that I'm complaining though, I don't need Windows anymore and ZorinOS serves me just fine while not making me feel like I'm in a tech prison.